gun control and the idiots that want it » Forum Post by shawnee89

gun control does not = guns banned

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because then only I will have guns!!! I will rule the world, and you will have no defense except for pointy sticks!!!

Or was that a simpsons halloween episode............

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I will rule the world, and you will have no defense except for pointy sticks!!!

he he he . . . I loved that one!

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Reply #1 By: Texas Wahine - 11/13/2004 9:58:56 PM
gun control does not = guns banned

It will though. Because once they start, the liberals won't stop at mere control. Sen Boxer D (CA) told reporters when she wrote the AWB "If I thought I could get enough votes I'd have every gun picked up". Now does that sound like someone who will quit once she has gun control? Just look at CA. First the AWB, then their stupid drop test just to be able to sell your firearms in the state, lately the 50 cal ban. Where will it stop?

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those liberals who want gun control have no argument for it.
they have the SAME IDEAS as those pot smoking hippies who protested Vietnam
they want world peace with no killing which is an unattainable goal

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drmiler: You support absolutely no gun control whatsoever? No checks, no registration, no stipulations or bans on weapons with no practical use?

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do you see how they dodge the questions and want say we want no gun control at all. We want to punish those who commit crimes with guns. because to say guns kill people is the same as saying that it's a pencils fault if a student fails a test.

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Yes...me and my wacko liberal friends will take away your guns. Because there is no way around it. Either everyone has a or many guns, or we take away all your guns. I support gun control, but not taking away your guns (by the way, I'm about as liberal as they come). I support liscencing, registration, background checks, and preventing people with criminal records from purchasing guns. Basically, I would take guns away from criminals, and allow hunters and collectors to keep their guns. So I guess this makes me a wacko anti-gun liberal who will take away all your guns given half the chance.

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Evan:

do you see how they dodge the questions and want say we want no gun control at all. We want to punish those who commit crimes with guns. because to say guns kill people is the same as saying that it's a pencils fault if a student fails a test.

I am not a "they" -- I am a person and not a label. I am not dodging any question. The answer to your question is no, I do not want guns banned. I directed a question to drmiler, and being the reasonable guy that he is, when he has time he will answer it in a respectful and knowledgeable manner. You would further your cause greatly if you were able to do the same.

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It sure would've have helped if Iraq had gun control.

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they want world peace with no killing

DUH!!!!!!! *Sorry. I just can't get the full duh effect in this medium*

Now I've heard it all.

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XX

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I don't support total weapons ban, but I certainly support gun control and ban on useless weapons.

Them ducks is so dangerous I need assault guns to kill all of them.

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kingbee

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the exact wording in the constitution provides specifically: the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. 'weapons' is commonly and incorrectly construed to mean 'guns'.

anyone who wants to take my m-79 grenade launcher away from me is going to have to pry it outta my cold, dead hands.

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kingbee

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It sure would've have helped if Iraq had gun control

havent we made those poor people suffer enough already? as it is, the new iraqi constitution limits each family (no matter how large it may be) to one measly assault weapon. that kinda unreasonable restriction takes all the fun outa weddings, funerals and other social events (no same-sex marriages there, either) cuz everyone has to stand around waiting for a turns to scream yi-yi-yi-yi-yi while emptying a full clip into the air. on top of which you cant be too prepared to defend your hovel against invading occupiers intent on forcing you to spend your hard-earned dinars on exorbitantly-priced mccamel nuggets. not to mention the outrages being perpetrated on the fallouja chapter of the NRA.

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kingbee

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Its this kind of vitriol that caused the liberals to LOSE the last election...their constant denigration of any who opposed them, calling Conservatives rednecks, jesus-freaks, morons, racists, facists, homophobes, etc etc

yeah. well all that in combination with the brilliant (honestly brilliant) strategy of putting 'marriage' initiatives on 11 state ballots following the bush administrations interference with vital national security issues by promoting a constitutional same-sex marriage amendment that was guaranteed not to pass while making lots of headlines in the process, falwell/lahaye/dobson/robertson's ability to obtain church membership rolls by the 1000s in order to distribute millions of 'voter guidance' pamphlets, innappropriate candidate advocacy by catholic bishops and archbishops in their official 'non-partisan' capacity in the pulpit and, last but not least, flooding targeted areas with advertising like this:

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gun control does not = guns banned

I support liscencing, registration, background checks, and preventing people with criminal records from purchasing guns. Basically, I would take guns away from criminals, and allow hunters and collectors to keep their guns. So I guess this makes me a wacko anti-gun liberal who will take away all your guns given half the chance.

good points and another thing the NRA cannot agree with is that they oppose any form of gun legislation.

do you see how they dodge the questions and want say we want no gun control at all. We want to punish those who commit crimes with guns. because to say guns kill people is the same as saying that it's a pencils fault if a student fails a test.

Is it dodging the question to point out that the NRA has an official policy of opposing any form of gun control legislation. It is deflection to say that guns don't kill people

Its this kind of vitriol that caused the liberals to LOSE the last election...their constant denigration of any who opposed them, calling Conservatives rednecks, jesus-freaks, morons, racists, facists, homophobes, etc etc. While i dont agree with gun control, i dont think that those who do are automatically 'idiots.' They are just people with different opinions.

So the right put out no vitrol? We're called traitors, socialists or even communists, told to leave the country if we don't like it (we love our country as much or more than those on the right), terrorist sympathisers or terrorists, murderers, and worse. We also want your daughters and sons to become homosexuals. The Bush campaign and Republican party made claims that Kerry had raised taxes 350 times, would ban the bible, and would cause America to be attacked by terrorists if elected. The Christian radio networks went as far as to claim that Kerry blasphemed by sitting on a throne with his supporters fanning him with palm leaves while chanting his name. The mainstream of the Democratic party did not make those claims unless pointing out that without votes from white evangelicals that Bush would have lost by 12 million votes is vitrol.

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What i did say is that it was far more common coming from the left, and is one of the reasons why Bush won.

I'm not buying it. The democrats were criticized before their convention and warned not to run a negative convention and republican went negative throughout theirs. The right put out false pamphlets under the name of the democratic party while Karl Rove pulled out every dirty trick in the book.

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I'm not buying it. The democrats were criticized before their convention and warned not to run a negative convention and republican went negative throughout theirs. The right put out false pamphlets under the name of the democratic party while Karl Rove pulled out every dirty trick in the book.

Yup, I agree, Whoman. The republican vitriol this past election was the most hideous, dispicable, hateful diatribes that have ever come out of a political convention, not to mention during the entire campaign. To accuse democrats for merely defending their base, and themselves, as hateful attacks is such a low blow, and so, so typically republican garbage, which was totally supported by the repub leadership, via that hateful and lying-like-a-rug convention they held. Made me wanna puke.

As a continuation of this lousy, lying crap that comes out of republicans is the contention that liberals want to ban guns. It's a complete lie, and is used merely as scare tactics by maligning the left, and getting repubs ti support them. It's all part of their typical nasty, lying, scare tactics. I, for one, do not want to ban guns. People should be allowed to own them, but only if closely and carefully controlled. As comparison, just because the government controls automobile licenses and registrations, does not mean that they want to ban autos. Same for guns. No one wants to ban guns. That' so, so false. Having said that, some types of guns should be banned. Why should assault-type guns be allowed in the general public? Their only purpose and design is to kill people. Killing people should only be allowed, ie regulated, in war. As much as I hate war, and I would love to see a world free of it, I don't think soldiers can go to war without assault rifles, and other such weapons. They sure don't belong in the streets of New York, Chicago, etc. And, I venture to guess that they do not belong in the hunting gear for deer, moose or the like.

Guns have to be regulated. Not banned.

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Reply #12 By: XX - 11/14/2004 3:01:47 AM
I don't support total weapons ban, but I certainly support gun control and ban on useless weapons.

Them ducks is so dangerous I need assault guns to kill all of them.

Do you even know what an "assualt" weapon is?

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kingbee

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Evans article title aligns him squarely with those who behave this way, and its why more rational Conservatives would do well to distance themselves from this sort of vitriol

his title is inflammatory; overall, you offered him some good, practical advice. i generally agree with all but the second graph of your comment.

Its this kind of vitriol that caused the liberals to LOSE the last election

i've read draginol's arguments supporting this conclusion, dozens of other variations on the theme and possibly 100 or more comments along the same line. i think its a convenient but superficial observation. whatever resentment was rooted in bashing on either side is hardly a factor compared to maybe a dozen powerful undercurrents of resentment that have been flowing just beneath the surface for decades and which, in turn, spawned the bashing rather than the other way around. much more importantly, all that ongoing resentment produced a political climate in which anything is okay as long as it delivers votes.

But by far, this type of inflammatory hysterics was practiced FAR more by the left than the right in this last election

if that makes you feel better, amen. ive seen no objective study to prove either side has a monopoly on civility and i doubt one will show up anytime soon. attempts to indict one side or the other inevitably wind up convicting the self-appointed prosecutor; the most reasonable argument invariably devolves into a harangue. not for nothing do we have two distinctly different terms for 'right' and 'self-righteous'.

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Reply #21 By: dabe - 11/14/2004 12:10:41 PM
Yup, I agree, Whoman. The republican vitriol this past election was the most hideous, dispicable, hateful diatribes that have ever come out of a political convention, not to mention during the entire campaign. To accuse democrats for merely defending their base, and themselves, as hateful attacks is such a low blow, and so, so typically republican garbage, which was totally supported by the repub leadership, via that hateful and lying-like-a-rug convention they held. Made me wanna puke.

As a continuation of this lousy, lying crap that comes out of republicans is the contention that liberals want to ban guns. It's a complete lie, and is used merely as scare tactics by maligning the left, and getting repubs ti support them. It's all part of their typical nasty, lying, scare tactics. I, for one, do not want to ban guns. People should be allowed to own them, but only if closely and carefully controlled. As comparison, just because the government controls automobile licenses and registrations, does not mean that they want to ban autos. Same for guns. No one wants to ban guns. That' so, so false. Having said that, some types of guns should be banned. Why should assault-type guns be allowed in the general public? Their only purpose and design is to kill people. Killing people should only be allowed, ie regulated, in war. As much as I hate war, and I would love to see a world free of it, I don't think soldiers can go to war without assault rifles, and other such weapons. They sure don't belong in the streets of New York, Chicago, etc. And, I venture to guess that they do not belong in the hunting gear for deer, moose or the like.

See my above post from Cailfornia' stand point!

Guns have to be regulated. Not banned.

Firearms are already "regulated" how much more is needed?

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Reply #18 By: whoman69 - 11/14/2004 11:01:29 AM
gun control does not = guns banned

I support liscencing, registration, background checks, and preventing people with criminal records from purchasing guns. Basically, I would take guns away from criminals, and allow hunters and collectors to keep their guns. So I guess this makes me a wacko anti-gun liberal who will take away all your guns given half the chance.

good points and another thing the NRA cannot agree with is that they oppose any form of gun legislation.

do you see how they dodge the questions and want say we want no gun control at all. We want to punish those who commit crimes with guns. because to say guns kill people is the same as saying that it's a pencils fault if a student fails a test.

Is it dodging the question to point out that the NRA has an official policy of opposing any form of gun control legislation. It is deflection to say that guns don't kill people

No it's not a deflection! Answer me this...."ever see a gun pull it's own trigger"?

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Reply #13 By: kingbee - 11/14/2004 3:48:09 AM
anyone who wants to take my m-79 grenade launcher away from me is going to have to pry it outta my cold, dead hands.

This only goes to show how much this topic is misunderstood! M-79's and the rest of their ilk (machine guns and automatic weapons) have been banned for quite awhile now. And I don't see *anyone* advocating their reintroduction.

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Reply #6 By: Texas Wahine - 11/14/2004 12:03:52 AM
drmiler: You support absolutely no gun control whatsoever? No checks, no registration, no stipulations or bans on weapons with no practical use?

bans on weapons other than what already is banned? NO! I never said none what so ever. I don't want psychos having access or for that matter felons or the mentally disturbed. We already have background checks. Registration? Yet another resounding NO! What is it needed for? Just one more way for "big brother" to stick his nose in where it don't belong. My private life should remain just that. Private!

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Citizen little_whip ,
i was by no means saying that i want no control at all. I want to punish the person who USES the gun in wrong ways. However, if they start a ban on certain weapons they will not stop. how long before they outlaw other weapons like knifes, sticks, or baseball bats. Once they, the liberals who WANT extreme gun control, they WILL NOT STOP. Just look at Hillary CLintons webite youll see a link to a website theat supports EXTREME gun control.

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