TEC and Advent ones should be movable.

Vasari ones should be able to do phase jump.

BUT.

Then Vasari having multiple starbases in same planet may be overpowered (just to know all faction's starbase build limit is 1)

So, I suggest that if you use a certain number (I'd say 4 slots) of upgrade slots then the phase jump driver will be removed from the Starbase. This means 50% to 100% upgraded Starbase cannot perform phase jump, and multiple number but lowly upgraded Starbases would be economically bad and easy to handled by opposing force.

FFS guys, Vasari do not have dedicated Starbase killer.... It is actually Vasari Starbase itself (if you upgrade weapons, it can do some good amount of 'structure' damage.) So how about let Vasari players use this a bit easier? (Not trying to buiild things in enemy territory. If you fight with human player, you won't make it)

I'm not sure about the range yet (havent tested it yet) but the build time has to be increased. One time, Advent AI tried to attack me with a starbase (contructor jumped in and built up). Luckily I got a big fleet there, but the starbase was close to be finished when it got destroyed. Starbases are not ment to be offensive weapons!

The simple solution to this is again, make them movable and Vasari having phase jump with certain limitations mentioned above.

With their high-hp, longer range can cause some imbalance in certain situation (Have you ever heard about repulse?)

I would suggest rather than having the Vasari stations able to jump, keep them as they ard and grant the Advent and TEC the ability to move but only when they 'shut down'.  In effect, have their bases go through a 10-15 second 'shut down' phase before they can move, then not allow them to fire as they move, then another 10-15 second 'activation' period once they're in the new location.  Vasari would keep their advantage (move at any time + fire as they do) but TEC/Advent would be able to adjust gravity well defenses between battles if need be.

Also, they definitely need a longer firing range.  Seems like right now they're basically big turrets.  Advent one doesn't even seem to use all its weapons...

no no no

the vasari starbase moving is silly enough

use the tools you've been given - minefields, hangar bays, auxiliary government, etc. before calling for radical and silly changes

Starbases need range increase, free fighter garrison (additional cost obviously).  Yes, Mines and hangers and turrets are good to make choke points, but they aren't as powerful (or cool)...

  One disclaimer before I post.. Ive not yet played as or against the Vasari in Entrenchment yet (my one game was Advent+TEC only)

  I'm not 100% sure it's the best idea game wise.. but It does sound like it could be fun to let the vasari starbase phase jump - but only in an extremely limited fashion.   I think it should obviously be a researched ability.. but give it an extreme cooldown - possibly on the order of tens of minutes.   Since I've obviously not seen how long it takes one of their bases to cross a well.. it should be long enough to not allow it to just continuously move from one system to the next.  A phase jumping starbase should be forced to spend significant time in each system. 

  Or another option: let the starbase phase jump exactly one time. 

  Basically.. anything to make a player think long and hard about when and where a base jumps (And give an opponent at least some chance to recon the thing!)

  I'm sort of in agreement about the range of the other starbases.  Although maybe some more time/experimentation with mine fields and strike craft will change my mind.  

  I tend to think that covering the whole well is a bit too extreme - an opposing fleet of large enough size should still be able to "run the blockade" as it were.  However I *would* like to see a base at least able to harass any fleet arriving in its half of the well.

Hi DeadlyShoe, I still remember you calling Necrons being fine in DoW forum.

they had problems, but as always mostly people were just bitching

the point is that people are calling for radical design changes while seemingly unaware of the tools that already exist

advent: drones

vasari: movement

tec: auxiliary government

that doesnt even get into meta-factors like being a fleet resupply point or construction area or safe zone for planetary structures

how much do you really gain from glassing that planet when all of its orbital infrastructure remains intact and you've been dueling with the defenses and reinforcement fleets the whole time.

All this just demonstrates why it's a bad idea to start discussing balance after only several hours of gameplay

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All this just demonstrates why it's a bad idea to start discussing balance after only several hours of gameplay"

Most important statement right there. It's good to bring up ideas so we can pay attention to them, but really, imagine how our comments would look if we only played sins 1 time and then started commenting on balance. A week at least until these things have legitimacy.

Right now it's all initial impressions.

Tkins What is it my dad says "if you don't have something nice to say then don't say anything at all" plz                        

8 hours here so far.  I agree, that stargbase range is WAY too short.  A maxed SB costs about $16400 credits, and you can still just move around it like it was a turret   If only there was some movement inhibitor to slow ships down; put one or two near the starbase and the enemy ships move like they are in the mud.  Perhaps make some kind of upgrade to Jump Inhibitors or even a SB itself.

Turrets too need more range imo.  I assumed when I had my turrets upgraded they would finally be able to stop enemy ships from just going around them; nope.  A Tech research (like turrets have to extend weapon range) is possible.  Heck, I wish turrets got 2 more researchable tech jumps in range too.

Yes, build times need a increase, at least for weapons and defences.  And I got'a say, I'm really scepticle about jumping starbases; in fact, I really dislike that you can build a SB in another persons Well; that seems like that the expansion should be called "Encroachment" not "Entrenchment".

I agree that starbased under default range should beable to hit at least 25% the grav well i mean when i place one new a jump point i'd like the foe to get hit by it a few times before fleeing.

-Gabe

Starbases can be destroyed while still under construction.  I did it last night.

The first time I saw a starbase I was scared to go into that grav well, but then I noticed that the computer (normal difficulty) had a starbase on practically every planet they owned.  This was for both computer opponents on the same team.  My AI teammate didn't make a single starbase.  Maybe they were defensive or whatever, dunno.

But anyway, after encountering my first starbase, I found that they weren't all powerful.  In fact, I don't think I lost a single ship in the attack...  Granted I had a fairly large fleet with 13 missle cruisers. lol