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DESPERATELY WANTED: Someone to Trade Votes With Me!

I can't believe I am doing this...

October 31, 2004 4:11:04 PM from JoeUser ForumsJoeUser Forums
So yes, it has come down to this; I am willing to trade votes with a nonswing state voter. If I am unsuccessful in locating someone I can trade votes with I will stick to my original choice of voting for a third party, but as the 11th hour nears I am getting more and more nervous about Bush winning Minnesota and perhaps ethics should take a back seat to rationality this time around.

I am seeking a M or F age 18-112, 80-900 lbs., 2-10 ft. tall, all races, ethnicities, etc, from a nonswing state that is planning on voting for Kerry that I can trust to vote for Green Party candidate David Cobb or if they really prefer, Ralph Nader, for me and in exchange I will vote for Kerry in what is shaping up to be a dangerously close race. I make it a personal policy never to make promises, but I will suspend that policy until after Nov. 2nd.

If interested please respond here.

*Hanging Head in Shame*

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Reply #1 October 31, 2004 5:03:46 PM
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Wow~ Never thought I would see anything like this coming from you......
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Reply #2 October 31, 2004 6:16:45 PM
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Damn!  Qualified until you came for the vote for kerry.  Will a Bush vote do?  I meet all the other qualifications!
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Reply #3 October 31, 2004 6:30:13 PM
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Someone better helo this person out!!! Which swing state do you live in?
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Reply #4 October 31, 2004 6:49:28 PM
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Suspeckted, I'm from Utah and would loooovvee to take you up on your offer but for two reasons. I did it last time and it clearly didn't do any good, (and maybe some bad,) and look what the shock did to old Ralphie anyway...And the second reason is I figure if one wants electoral college reform this is the year to vote for you want, regardless of where you live. But cheers to you for pulling for the Green's official guy instead of the slightly unhinged, (if not now certifiably delusional,) Nader. May I please, please, please just urge you to vote for Kerry anyway? No thirdies are getting 3% this year anyway, and I know the Democrats are little better, (or little different,) than the Republicans in many ways but...anybody's better than the Shrub.
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Reply #5 October 31, 2004 7:26:56 PM
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buck fush! haha
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Reply #6 October 31, 2004 8:06:45 PM
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Yeah, Vote Kerry anyway...I can't trade you my vote b/c I think Arkansas has a decent chance of going for Kerry...although I feel a bit bad not voting for Cobb/LaMarche...
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Reply #7 October 31, 2004 8:29:51 PM
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Sure sell out your vote for Cobb to unsupported fears, go ahead, only you will feel the guilt if there is any otherwise who gives a chit.
If you fear people that run for President that much, vote for Doctor Victor von Doom. Seriously, either support the Green party or don't, they don't need fence sitters!!
Do I fear a Kerry win or a Bush win, hell no because America is more than just two cousins / former "Skulls" members and to worry over ONE or TWO freaking guys means they have already won the battle for your fear!!

Speaking on voting reform, Cobb and now Badnarik have proposed the IRV (Instant Run-off Voting) Ballot, sounds interesting but would need state ratification that first must pass through Congress. I feel it once again time for America to be more than just two parties and to have three or four parties in power so the two twins can quit bickering over who is better.

I am Liberty-tarian and will vote Badnarik all the way without a single fear placed on whether Bush wins or Kerry wins because I support Badnarik and I believe that if you vote for the lesser of two evils you still end up with evil no matter how you try to spin it to make it justifiable it still is a betrayal of your core values and one I cannot afford to suffer, can you?

Go Badnarik Go!!

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Reply #8 October 31, 2004 8:36:20 PM
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Bleh, there's plenty of reasons for a Green to vote for Kerry. I wrote a whole article about it. Link

I like the guy. I won't be a "Yellow dog" Green any more than a "Yellow Dog" Democrat or whoever.
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Reply #9 October 31, 2004 8:55:28 PM
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Reply #6 By: Myrrander - 10/31/2004 8:06:45 PM
Yeah, Vote Kerry anyway...I can't trade you my


Electoral-vote.com has Arkansas as a weak Bush state @ 82%
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Reply #10 October 31, 2004 8:57:31 PM
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82%? I think you might have mashed the wrong button. 52% perhaps. But hey, there's still a chance.
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Reply #11 October 31, 2004 9:30:56 PM
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Forget Cobb... Badnarik is the best 3rd party guy out there. After all, Naders split from the greens in looking like Perots split from Reform, both of tehm were hurt in the polls. We could still switch votes... though there's not much point in it...
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Reply #12 November 1, 2004 2:59:33 AM
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Reply #10 By: Myrrander - 10/31/2004 8:57:31 PM
82%? I think you might have mashed the wrong button. 52% perhaps. But hey, there's still a chance


You right my bad. Actually 51%
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Reply #13 November 1, 2004 11:28:25 AM
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Well it's crunch time and no help in sight...or on this site. All puns aside I don't need anyone to tell me to vote for Kerry anyway, clearly I've been urged by many family and friends to do that already and if I needed just another push to get me to do it I would have already. I'm entertained by the idea that I should support the Libertarian Party as the best third party choice. Not all third parties are created equal, in fact, it's in third parties that we see the greatest disparities between candidates like the Libertarians who want to destroy all government policies that infringe on business and just let the market solve everything verses the Greens who don't trust that the markey will do enough to protect the public from the harms that will ensue an unregulated market.

Someone better helo this person out!!! Which swing state do you live in?

As stated in the article (no offense) I'm from Minnesota.

Speaking on voting reform, Cobb and now Badnarik have proposed the IRV (Instant Run-off Voting) Ballot

Some states have this already for local elections...Alaska I believe.
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Reply #14 November 1, 2004 11:50:08 AM
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perhaps ethics should take a back seat to rationality this time around.
Spoken like a true democrat. STop pretending to be third party and join your comrades in fraud. Go Jackasses!
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Reply #15 November 1, 2004 1:23:49 PM
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Not all third parties are created equal, in fact, it's in third parties that we see the greatest disparities between candidates like the Libertarians who want to destroy all government policies that infringe on business and just let the market solve everything verses the Greens who don't trust that the markey will do enough to protect the public from the harms that will ensue an unregulated market.


Though there is more to their statements than what you try to boil it down to.

Libertarians believe in boycotting and taking a Company to court instead of having the Government telling what that company can or cannot do, make it a court issue that involves the parties involved the company and the consumer instead of a third party, the government, in place it simply does not belong in.

I am not sure about the Greens so I cannot comment there.

What I am saying is vote with your conscious and principles not just because somebody says vote for my Cousin or their Cousin (George + John = Cousins), vote for who you want with no fear in worrying over what the two major parties tell you, or give into your fear and abandon the third party to join the major party. With friends like Myrrh, the Green Party needs zero enemies.

No Fear Plinko!!
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Reply #16 November 1, 2004 8:34:29 PM
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vote for who you want with no fear in worrying over what the two major parties tell you


Well I thought I'd make an effort to trade for the sake of the pleas of many I respect and love, but since no one has stepped forth to trade and it's unlikely anyone will before I reach the polls I will do just as you have said and vote for my third party without fear.

God have mercy on America
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Reply #17 November 1, 2004 9:16:14 PM
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With friends like Myrrh, the Green Party needs zero enemies.




I've voted Green more often than anything (when you can actually find one of our people running in Arkansas). I don't feel the least bit like a "party traitor" for voting Kerry this time around.

Libertarians believe in boycotting and taking a Company to court instead of having the Government telling what that company can or cannot do, make it a court issue that involves the parties involved the company and the consumer instead of a third party, the government, in place it simply does not belong in.

I am not sure about the Greens so I cannot comment there.


You'd find that Greens are going to generally be more for government intervention -- parts of the party are far more socialistic than I'm comfortable with. I don't really like the party's past support of Nader, it's a bit too mercenary for my tastes. David Cobb is a fine candidate, but I honestly find Kerry's politics closer to my own than Cobb's.
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Reply #18 November 4, 2004 11:42:30 AM
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Well the election has come and gone and I am proud to report that I voted for who I thought would make the best President, not who I thought had the best chance of winning and apparently it didn't matter anyway. Most of my reaction can be summed up with my latest post....I hope I don't have to hear the words "swing state" for 4 more years.

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