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Yarlen
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Reply #51 November 19, 2008 6:47:08 AM
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So my question still stands - will upgrading to the beta mean there is less to update for 1.1 and therefore can someone download the beta now to shave time off of getting 1.1???

I'm no expert on how Impulse handles updates, but it *should*. The way I believe it works is that it looks for changed files and it downloads those files. Not that much changed between 1.096 that's available now and 1.1 final, so there should be much fewer changes to download than if you were going from 1.05 > 1.1.

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Reply #52 November 19, 2008 6:51:42 AM
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If you install beta, you will need to del it and download/reinstal whole Sins. It will took a longer time to wait till patch apply .

Just wait! it's not so hard as you think.

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Reply #53 November 19, 2008 7:00:27 AM
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P2P Mechanisms are pretty decent if there is enough people using them. It also allows lost of savings on D/L servers and bandwidth. There are few bad things tho: p2p is illegal in some countries(spain iirc and probably france in nearest future); p2p is considered by majority(i used to say "idiots", but ppl always pretend that they dunno where to look for those) as some "pirate tool of doom" and only good for sharing illegal stuff. In the end we have scalable system(unlike d/l servers) with some drawbacks. For me the best thing about p2p is possibly unlimited maximum speed. I'm planning to switch to 26mbit channel soon and i highly doubt that any d/l server will be able to sustain big number of clients with really high speeds. Espiecialy if client is in Russia...

 

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Reply #54 November 19, 2008 7:01:28 AM
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Quoting Lifeman69,
reply 2
If you install beta, you will need to del it and download/reinstal whole Sins. It will took a longer time to wait till patch apply .

Just wait! it's not so hard as you think.

No, you won't need to reinstall Sins from scratch if you have the beta patch I know for a fact the Impulse patcher handles updating from any version, final or beta

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Reply #55 November 19, 2008 7:07:30 AM
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with some drawbacks.

Those are pretty major drawbacks if you ask me Here in the US even, some ISPs have come under major fire for throttling P2P traffic. Universities and workplaces usually set up their firewalls to block all P2P traffic outright.

The Impulse servers already easily get 800kb-1mb/sec download speeds for most of us, so I don't think the potential benefits of P2P outweighs screwing a lot of people out of being able to use it

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Reply #56 November 19, 2008 7:37:21 AM
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You cant really block encrypted p2p, especially if portnumbers change. I also think that blocking p2p is like cutting off someone's arm if u just ASSUME he can use it to kill someone. But that not the point.

One successful use of p2p in gaming industry - WoW patches. Works like a charm.

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Reply #57 November 19, 2008 7:42:27 AM
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Where is 1.1? isn't today wednesday.

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Reply #58 November 19, 2008 7:44:40 AM
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Good call to delay the release to get the service right, whats an extra day when its been so long in the making?

ISPs can, and do throttle or block P2P. But the main problem with P2P is that it would have to be a complete full file install patch rather than the difference. It would be nice if people had the choice though, Impulse, P2P or standalone patch. Choice is always good, would you like to order steak from a restraunt only to be told it only comes cut up into tiny pieces?

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Reply #59 November 19, 2008 8:07:13 AM
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Quoting Hettikus,
reply 6
You cant really block encrypted p2p, especially if portnumbers change. I also think that blocking p2p is like cutting off someone's arm if u just ASSUME he can use it to kill someone. But that not the point.

One successful use of p2p in gaming industry - WoW patches. Works like a charm.

 

Except for all the people it doesn't, and if you spend a lot of time in WoW, there are TONS of those. Every patch people ask for mirrors, or go to FilePlanet.

 

And you can block encrypted P2P, some ISPs have gone far enough to traffic shape anything that they don't recognize (IE all encrypted traffic).

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Reply #60 November 19, 2008 8:09:08 AM
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Quoting spiralblitz,
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Where is 1.1? isn't today wednesday.

Usually patches get released around 1-2 pm EST

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Reply #61 November 19, 2008 8:45:09 AM
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Tridus:

well at least you have choice, right?

And if ISP shapes ALL encrypted traffic... i'll just vote with my rouble(dollar, euro, etc) and switch to another ISP. Here we actually have torrent retrackers for large ISP networks There were some ISP's , who blocked torrents. None survived.

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Reply #62 November 19, 2008 8:59:14 AM
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I for one could care less how long it's delayed for as it's for a good cause.  Im happy that SD keeps us in the loop unlike many other companies and long forgotten patches.

 

Kudos SD/IC.  I'm looking forward to 1.1.

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Reply #63 November 19, 2008 9:13:11 AM
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Will 1.1 be available via Stardock Central?

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Reply #64 November 19, 2008 9:13:33 AM
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At which time will it be released exactly?

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Reply #65 November 19, 2008 9:27:33 AM
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Quoting GAGA Extrem,
reply 13
Will 1.1 be available via Stardock Central?

No, only Impulse.

Quoting GiganGigan,
reply 14
At which time will it be released exactly?

No exact time, but count on around 1-2 pm EST as that's the customary release window for stuff. Sometimes it happens earlier, but not often.

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Reply #66 November 19, 2008 9:34:47 AM
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please for the love of god release the patch NOW. I'm losing my high speed internet tommorow because I'm moving to a location where I get 28.8 dialup at best and while it IS possible(or at least was, we'll see with the patch) to play sins on the connection onlne(albeit with some serious lag) downloading the several hundred mb patch is going to be impossible

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Reply #67 November 19, 2008 9:35:46 AM
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Quoting Annatar11,
reply 15

Quoting GAGA Extrem, reply 13Will 1.1 be available via Stardock Central?

No, only Impulse.


Quoting GiganGigan, reply 14At which time will it be released exactly?

No exact time, but count on around 1-2 pm EST as that's the customary release window for stuff. Sometimes it happens earlier, but not often.

 

1-2 est I can handle

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Reply #68 November 19, 2008 9:39:52 AM
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Quoting Hettikus,
reply 11
Tridus:

well at least you have choice, right?

And if ISP shapes ALL encrypted traffic... i'll just vote with my rouble(dollar, euro, etc) and switch to another ISP. Here we actually have torrent retrackers for large ISP networks There were some ISP's , who blocked torrents. None survived.

 

I've got a choice between the cable monopoly, and the phone monopoly. If they both do it, there isn't much of a choice. Bigger parts of Canada have alternate ISPs as well, but I'm not in one of those. So for me, a direct download from Impulse is drastically faster then a torrent option. (The cable ISP also has bandwidth usage caps, so a P2P system would eat up my bandwidth allowance for the month to give other people a patch. I'm not keen on that.)

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Reply #69 November 19, 2008 10:07:58 AM
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Ok so WHERE IS THE UPDATE!?!?!?!?!??! It's 10:07 am and no update yet?  Dissapointed...

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Reply #70 November 19, 2008 10:11:54 AM
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Quoting Tridus,
reply 18

Quoting Hettikus, reply 11Tridus:

well at least you have choice, right?

And if ISP shapes ALL encrypted traffic... i'll just vote with my rouble(dollar, euro, etc) and switch to another ISP. Here we actually have torrent retrackers for large ISP networks There were some ISP's , who blocked torrents. None survived.
 

I've got a choice between the cable monopoly, and the phone monopoly. If they both do it, there isn't much of a choice. Bigger parts of Canada have alternate ISPs as well, but I'm not in one of those. So for me, a direct download from Impulse is drastically faster then a torrent option. (The cable ISP also has bandwidth usage caps, so a P2P system would eat up my bandwidth allowance for the month to give other people a patch. I'm not keen on that.)

 

Also, the point of the P2P system is to be a supplement for the direct download, not a replacement. Implementing it should be as simple as adding a second update button that d/ls a torrent file instead and building a lightweight torrent client into impulse. That way those that can take advantage of faster d/ls via torrent and save b/w costs for SD at the same time will, and those that can't still have the direct download option.

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Reply #71 November 19, 2008 10:12:47 AM
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If I have to say "1-2 pm EST" one more time I'll go choke a puppy.

So, don't expect it before 1-2 pm EST.

Oh hey I said it..

Annatar11 chokes a puppy.

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Reply #72 November 19, 2008 10:18:59 AM
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Negative Karma would be nice here. 

 

 It gets here when it gets here people. 

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Reply #73 November 19, 2008 10:19:05 AM
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Bad precident. I'm a cat person, I'm going to ask you 50 times now to eliminate the dog population.

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Reply #74 November 19, 2008 10:27:04 AM
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Annatar11 chokes a puppy

How....How could you?

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Reply #75 November 19, 2008 10:29:40 AM
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I didn't say I'll be choking a puppy each time I say it.. only if I say it one more time (which I did)

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