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a full tech tree .pdf file

where to find one

July 17, 2008 1:51:06 PM from GalCiv II ForumsGalCiv II Forums

Hi.  I recently purchased the GOTY edition of Dread  Lords and it came with a poster of the tech tree.  I have read on gamespot about the expansions to the tech tree.  My question is simple is there a .pdf file (or any other kind) that has the 'complete' tech tree drawn out.  My searches of the site and forum have come up with some online ones and I just wanted to know if there was something I could use offline (my internet has been kind of sketchy lately). 

PS Kinda scared to post after seeing where DarkKnight2008 took that piracy 'discussion', but your game is the best thing in the genre since alpha centauri, so I thought I would dare. 

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Reply #1 July 17, 2008 2:22:27 PM
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Hello, Dave. Welcome to the forums. The poster you mentioned is certainly NOT representative of the average forum user. You will find that the overwhelming majority of us here are patient, polite, and helpful.

As to your question; I don't know of a .pdf, but I have something better for you. There is a little stand-alone proggy called the "Galactopedia". It reads the files from the game, and displays them in a handy interface. It will provide you all the info you need about any of the techs or improvements. You can find it here: WWW Link

Enjoy the game, and if you have any further questions, don't be hesitant to come onto the forums and ask. Good luck.
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Reply #2 July 17, 2008 3:46:02 PM
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Kinda scared to post after seeing where DarkKnight2008 took that piracy 'discussion', but your game is the best thing in the genre since alpha centauri, so I thought I would dare.

Welcome! Like Mistralok said, you wont find your initial experience with the forums to be typical. This is a great group of people who are always very helpful.

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Reply #3 July 17, 2008 7:18:43 PM
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the best thing in the genre since alpha centauri


I agree with you here, and also encourage you to ignore the forum noise and ask questions freely or offer whatever suggestions strike you. AFAIK, the whole games division at Stardock owes its existence to Brad Wardell's love of a good computer game.

Apparently he can't make himself stop investing his personal and financial resources in meeting the needs of the 4X (or 5X, if you're hopeful like me) TBS gamer's needs.
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Reply #4 July 17, 2008 9:26:36 PM
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Thanks for the program and warm welcome.
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Reply #5 July 17, 2008 9:46:29 PM
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Actually there *is* a pdf tech tree but it's very old and applies to DL only but it's a nice two page summary that does provide some useful information even still. It's available by going to the metaverse home page (click the metaverse button at the top left of the page), opening the Galactic Databank menu and selecting Tech Tree at the bottom of the menu.

Or you can save all the clicking and go there directly.

http://metaverse.galciv2.com/index.aspx?g=techtree

From there it's a bit confusing because all the graphical icons are broken, however the links still work even if it's not clear what exactly it is you're clicking on. In any case clicking on the bottom right icon downloads the pdf file that you're looking for.

Here's my attempt at a direct link which may or may not work for you. Good luck.

http://images.stardock.com/gc2mv/downloads/TechTree_Poster(300dpi).pdf

[edit] The fact that there are both 150dpi and 300dpi versions of this should indicate how old it really is but like I said I've found it to be useful even though it is very old. [/edit]
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Reply #6 July 18, 2008 1:15:57 AM
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Didn't Nethog made one of those for v1.4 or somethin'?
Can't seem to remember where i got that particular file back in December last year but i presume the wiki must still have a link to such things.
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Reply #7 July 18, 2008 12:31:25 PM
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Mumblefratz,
Thanks. That is the Poster that comes with the GOTY edition. But it's good to have in pdf format. On another note, it seems I have more than an interest in the game in common with you all - looking at your pic and Mistralok's. I am attempting to get back into school to write a doctorate on the influence of ancient and early modern political thought on the American Founding Fathers. His is Machiavel's and yours is Erasmus (by Holbein, right?). I'll have to scrounge 'round for a nice pic for the forum.

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Reply #8 July 18, 2008 2:57:36 PM
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it seems I have more than an interest in the game in common with you all - looking at your pic and Mistralok's. I am attempting to get back into school to write a doctorate on the influence of ancient and early modern political thought on the American Founding Fathers. His is Machiavel's and yours is Erasmus (by Holbein, right?). I'll have to scrounge 'round for a nice pic for the forum.


I'm sure you'll be able to find some common ground with a any number of people here.

Good call on my avatar. Not many would recognize it. I chose him because his writings are almost a tutorial on how to be successful at this game. Mumble's is Martin Luther, by Cranach, IIRC. He'll have to tell you himself why he chose this particular avatar. Luther reminds me a bit of the Korath; kill them all and let God sort them out.
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Reply #9 July 18, 2008 3:56:40 PM
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What an interesting mistake on my part: They say that Erasmus led the way for Luther. You were right, the painter was Lucas Cranach (see wikipedia s.v. Martin Luther).
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Reply #10 July 18, 2008 4:02:04 PM
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yours is Erasmus

Close but no cigar. Actually it's Martin Luther (by Cranach, see the Wiki for a copy). Also I never noticed but Mistralok's avatar does bear a striking resemblance to Niccolò di Bernardo dei Machiavelli from the Wiki article as well.

It's not something that I have any great knowledge of but I do believe Luther and Erasmus were on supposed opposite sides of a long running argument about free will versus predestination. Obviously there was a lot more to it than could be encompassed in a single sentence.

In any case none of this has anything to do my choice of Martin Luther as an avatar. I'm not in any way religious, if anything I'd have to classify myself as agnostic. However I did go to a Lutheran elementary school and my teacher throughout that period was the Lutheran minister who bore a striking resemblance to the Right Reverend Doctor Luther. But then again pretty much any short, chubby, middle aged white guy bears a resemblance to the Right Reverend. Anyway it’s for this reason, plus his total lack of anything resembling a sense of humor, that caused me to pick Martin Luther as an avatar.
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Reply #11 July 19, 2008 1:34:01 AM
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plus his total lack of anything resembling a sense of humor,


Why Mumble, you're being too modest.
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Reply #12 July 22, 2008 11:07:21 AM
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But then again pretty much any short, chubby, middle aged white guy bears a resemblance to the Right Reverend


I took a really neat seminar on Luther and Erasmus from yet another man who could have been the Right Reverend's brother. But he definitely had a sense of humour. If I'm remebering the course properly, that professor wanted us to look at how Erasmus and Luther complemented one another. I still have a Luther biography somewhere with the painting Mumble chose as his avatar on the cover. IIRC, Luther actually did have a sense of humour, or at least humanity. Calvin, on the other hand...

Anywho, good luck on the thesis project davelogan69. My interest in the early US republic is growing steadily, perhaps because I'm worried we're near the end of the experiment. I recently finished a Gordon Wood biography of Ben Franklin, and it reminded me of how terribly well-read that crew who worked out the Constitution were.
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Reply #13 July 22, 2008 11:48:21 AM
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Why Mumble, you're being too modest.


Luther actually did have a sense of humour, or at least humanity.

This is somewhat tongue in cheek. What I have is more of a warped sense of humor that somehow finds the denial of a sense of humor as extremely funny. Basically a sense of humor that's skewed from the norm.

My interest in the early US republic is growing steadily, perhaps because I'm worried we're near the end of the experiment.

You and me both.

My stepfather, who died a few years ago at 93, had been convinced that the US was heading to hell in a handbasket (his words). When I was younger I pretty much ignored his words but as I grew older it seemed my stepfather grew much smarter. It wasn't that he'd changed in the least, because he hadn't, however gradually I began to see things in the same light.

I assume that today young folks look at this the same way that I did in my youth, as merely the ramblings of an old fool. I honestly hope they're right, even though I fear they aren't.
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Reply #14 July 22, 2008 1:38:55 PM
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Why Mumble, you're being too modest.
Luther actually did have a sense of humour, or at least humanity.This is somewhat tongue in cheek. What I have is more of a warped sense of humor that somehow finds the denial of a sense of humor as extremely funny. Basically a sense of humor that's skewed from the norm.
My interest in the early US republic is growing steadily, perhaps because I'm worried we're near the end of the experiment.You and me both

I third that sentiment. I'm a couple decades younger than you Mumble, and GW is 1 more younger than I, so hopefully this line of thinking is not relegated purely to you oldsters. US government has become badly broken in so many different ways now, that I sometimes think the only way to fix it would be to scrap everything and start over from 0. One of my favorite quotes is from Thomas Jefferson: "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

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Reply #15 July 22, 2008 2:51:01 PM
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I third that sentiment. I'm a couple decades younger than you Mumble, and GW is 1 more younger than I
Don't be fooled by his profile. GW is a decade older than you. At least as evidenced by his response of 42 in 2006 in the How old are you? thread.

US government has become badly broken in so many different ways now, that I sometimes think the only way to fix it would be to scrap everything and start over
The government bears its share of culpability but I blame more on US companies who've basically sold the country to the highest bidder, but that's a divisive subject from which no good can come.

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."
Beautiful words, unless you happen to be the patriot or tyrant that supplies the aforementioned blood.


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Reply #16 July 23, 2008 1:46:33 PM
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4X (or 5X, if you're hopeful like me) TBS gamer's needs


Whats a 5x game?
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Reply #17 July 23, 2008 2:21:29 PM
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Whats a 5x game?


Don't know. Good question. Maybe one that's so complex it makes your head eXplode?

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Reply #18 July 23, 2008 3:19:40 PM
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Haha!   

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Reply #19 July 23, 2008 5:55:14 PM
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Don't know. Good question. Maybe one that's so complex it makes your head eXplode?


I won't pay for a game that makes my head explode.....my wife gives me headaches for free.
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Reply #20 July 23, 2008 6:38:38 PM
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"The Fifth X" was marketing spin for Alpha Centauri, which was supposed to be eXplore, eXpand, eXploit, eXterminate, and, ahem, "eXperience."

I really hated the marketing gabble (starting with the whole "we should be talking about 4E games" thing), but the SMAC devs were sincerely trying to add serious immersiveness (I thought of it as a narrative layer with high replayability) to the 4X genre.
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