well, I did manage to update DA to today's version, but today's beta of TA fails (twice). i am using SDC as admin (vista, but right clicking and running as admin). it has worked like this before. the sdc goes into some phase of waiting for 3 secs at a time but never gets past that. perhaps something about beta being unavailable (although it shows on the sdc update list and queues up).<BR><BR>finished by first DA game on a gigantic galaxy today. Makuran won with 12000 points, only appearance by Dread Lords was when I invaded their planet, despite only enabling conquest I won with influence then went back and reloaded the last turn and took the last couple planets so I could have a conquest victory.<BR><BR>it was set to 'tough' (on the high scores screen) but it was way too easy this time as none of the AI's ever killed anything, literally I was the only to destroy an enemy ship except the Thalans destroyed some of my very early (particle beam era) small ships when they were attacking a Thalan starbase.<BR><BR>but now I have a reference save game where I researched and designed everything I wanted and built a good balance of improvements. learned a lot about stuff in the late game this way. (will all be out window for TA)