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LARGE BUSH LEAD CONTINUES

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September 11, 2004 5:48:59 PM from JoeUser ForumsJoeUser Forums
As the election draws near, it appears President Bush will win by a handy margin. The latest poll shows a 57 percent to 43 percent margin for the President. This is very good news because Democrats have always done such errepairable damage to the country. It is still very much up in the air as to what kind of sick world humanity will have to endure during this new century because of Democratic-Liberalism.

Ungodly liberals are to blame for the massive onslaught of pornography, sexual diseases like aids, drug abbuse, high crime, destruction of the traditional family, the dysfunctional educational system, etc. A victory by the liberal Democrats would only make worse the problems they have already caused.

Recently, I wrote about how liberals set in motion a plan to bring communist-like rule to this nation. If that were to succeed, all order in the world would break down and mankind would head into utter anarchy. It would be the end of the world.
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Reply #1 September 11, 2004 5:52:41 PM
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YEAAAAAAAAAAAH BABY!
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Reply #2 September 11, 2004 10:35:51 PM
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The Bush lead is more like 47% - 46%. However, Bush has 213 electoral votes in the bag whereas Kerry has only 175.

www.rasmussenreports.com is perhaps the most respected pollster out there. They update daily at noon.
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Reply #3 September 11, 2004 11:10:22 PM
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Polls don't prove everything you know. First of all, we have no clue where these polls were taken: online? in Texas???
We don't know...so we can't tell....not all people were included in this poll, so it doesn't tell much.
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Reply #4 September 11, 2004 11:37:07 PM
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Oligarchy.

Rasmussenreports has update poll almost everyday, but they tend to be not as accurate as Gallup, ABC, Times. Gallup tends to be most respected in my opinion. That is to say their poll number often reflect their study. Gallup has Bush 7 points ahead of Kerry. Times and Newsweek has Bush ahead of 11-12 points.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/content/login.aspx?ci=12922

Deaniac. Stop being ridiculous. You don't really think they only conduct poll in Texas, do you? Just because you have no clue where the poll is done, doesn't mean everyone is clueless. You can always look up the polling method. Anyone who ever say "Not all people were included" either doesn't understand statistic or science. Which one are you? By your arguing, all science is fake, because all science are conducted on a small sample of cells or molecules. According to you, ozone depletion is not real neither because all published articules didn't do experiment on ALL ozone molecule. They only conduct ozone study at specific regions.

There is something called statistic sampling, ya know?
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Reply #5 September 12, 2004 12:31:45 AM
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If a poll with the name CNN (Clinton News Network) and USA Today (A newspaper that has Michael Moore on its payroll) say that Bush is up 7 points....I believe it.
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Reply #6 September 12, 2004 12:33:35 AM
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The recent poll is funny. The slightly liberal news like Times and Newsweek has Bush far ahead like 10+ points up, where the conservative poll like FoxNews has Bush only 4 points up. Interesting? One thing I have to give to FOXnew is that desipte its news coverage is converstive, it never tried to mess with the poll number. Something I cannot say for LA Times. Anyone still remember that LA Times was the only California newspaper predicted Bustamaete would beat Anorld Schwarzenegger in the California recall race. All other new polls were the other way around. RealClearPolitics Poll Averages: 3-Way: Bush 49.4 Kerry 42.9 , Nader 2.0 Head-to-Head: Bush 48.4, Kerry 44.6 Bush JA: 50.6 Approve/45.3 Disapprove Electoral Count: Bush 269 - Kerry 228 ---------------------------- Newsweek: Bush 49, Kerry 43, Nader 2 Time: Bush 52, Kerry 41, Nader 3 AP/Ipsos: Bush 51, Kerry 46, Nader 1 Zogby: Bush 46, Kerry 42, Nader 2 ABC/WP: Bush 52, Kerry 43, Nader 2 FOX News: Bush 47, Kerry 43, Nader 3 CBS News: Bush 49, Kerry 42, Nader 1 Rasmussen (9/11): Bush 48, Kerry 46 DemCorps*: Bush 48, Kerry 45, Nader 4 *(Dem Corps is a Democratic Pollster)
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Reply #7 September 12, 2004 1:57:29 AM
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I would even go so far as to predict a record landslide for Bush if what CBS did turns out to be totally fraudulent.
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Reply #8 September 12, 2004 2:57:55 AM
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It would be the end of the world

in which case, im perplexed about your lack of support for those who are doing all the hard labor to put the 'end' into 'these end times'.

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Reply #9 September 12, 2004 3:04:07 AM
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The recent poll is funny. The slightly liberal news like Times and Newsweek has Bush far ahead like 10+ points up, where the conservative poll like FoxNews has Bush only 4 points up. Interesting? One thing I have to give to FOXnew is that desipte its news coverage is converstive, it never tried to mess with the poll number. Something I cannot say for LA Times. Anyone still remember that LA Times was the only California newspaper predicted Bustamaete would beat Anorld Schwarzenegger in the California recall race. All other new polls were the other way around. RealClearPolitics Poll Averages: 3-Way: Bush 49.4 Kerry 42.9 , Nader 2.0 Head-to-Head: Bush 48.4, Kerry 44.6 Bush JA: 50.6 Approve/45.3 Disapprove Electoral Count: Bush 269 - Kerry 228 ---------------------------- Newsweek: Bush 49, Kerry 43, Nader 2 Time: Bush 52, Kerry 41, Nader 3 AP/Ipsos: Bush 51, Kerry 46, Nader 1 Zogby: Bush 46, Kerry 42, Nader 2 ABC/WP: Bush 52, Kerry 43, Nader 2 FOX News: Bush 47, Kerry 43, Nader 3 CBS News: Bush 49, Kerry 42, Nader 1 Rasmussen (9/11): Bush 48, Kerry 46 DemCorps*: Bush 48, Kerry 45, Nader 4 *(Dem Corps is a Democratic Pollster)


Nader's not on the ballot in enough states to even consider an electoral majority if everyone swung to him. The pollsters keep going to Nader, when they SHOULD be looking at candidates like Badnarik and Cobb (Badnarik is polling at 3% in Nevada and New Mexico, and some national polls give him those numbers as well).
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Reply #10 September 12, 2004 3:14:58 AM
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Reply #7 By: Marvin Cooley - 9/12/2004 1:57:29 AM
I would even go so far as to predict a record landslide for Bush if what CBS did turns out to be totally fraudulent.


Well go ahead & predict it because that is exactly what happened over there at CBS.

I would dissagree however. I do not think it will be close like in 2000 but it wont be a landslide.

Then again - Reagan '84 was supposed to be close and it was an increadibly sweeping victory.
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Reply #11 September 12, 2004 3:33:48 AM
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Since the 2000 campaign, I have never trusted the polls ever again. I remember the polls saying Gore was behind a few points and he won the popular vote. I remember a few experts saying Bush would win the popular vote, but lose the electoral college. Look how that turned out.
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Reply #12 September 12, 2004 12:41:24 PM
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According to Rasmussen and Zogby, there were sampling errors in the Newsweek and Time polls that led for a much larger lead for Bush than would be expected by taking a normalized sample (i.e. too many Republicans were asked versus the general makeup of the voting population). It can be seen in today's (9/12/04) Newsweek poll where Bush's lead has "suddenly" been halved (more inline with other polls).

And to you Mr. Cooley, I don't know where you get your info since you just say "a recent poll" but your writing appears to smack of hypocrisy and paranoia. For one, the highest level of government has been controlled by Republicans in the executive branch (i.e the President) for 16 of the last 24 years. The legislative branch has been controlled by Republicans since 1994. The judicial branch has a 5-4 margin although officially it's non-political. So, since the conservative movement has a majority of the branches in the federal government, how is it the democrats have caused the "errepairable (sp) damage to the country?"

You mention that "ungodly liberals" have caused the "destruction of the traditional family." Last I knew, Republicans were just as prone to infidelity which often leads to divorce (for example, Mr. Gingrich). In fact, many of the social ills you speak of have little to do with which party is in power as the "ills" OFTEN cross party lines. Your hack references are just more of the unsubstantiated negative tone that this country needs to pull away from if we are to unite as a country once more. At the very least, back up your rant with some research. Become part of the solution and not part of the problem by putting forth ideas of how we can become a better country and how we can work together. After all, it is more helpful than just having two sides attack each other through hacks.

For example, I would say that both sides are wrong when it comes to domestic spending policies. The first thing that needs to be accomplished is to reduce waste spending in the government. Demand that all departments submit a budget that targets only need based funding. Put some spine into by threatening appropriation penalties for departments that do not comply. This would amply reduce spending if you think of all of the unnecessary purchases in the last quarter century. The other thing to look it at is how much funding do we need for each program. If it is more than what is currently taken in by the government, taxes will need to be raised. If it is less, tax cuts can be given or the debt can be paid down (depending on the current administration/congress preference. Personally I would pay down the debt so that the amount of interest on the debt we pay would be less every year which would free up more money for other programs or reduced taxes!). But you can not just keep passing spending bills (both parties are guilty and Mr. Bush has not vetoed a single spending bill while in office). If you are I ran up debts like this we would be in serious trouble. We should hold our office makers to such a standard. And to end, here is a quote from Republican President Dwight D. Eisenhower, “Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed.”
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Reply #13 September 12, 2004 1:15:48 PM
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And to you Mr. Cooley, I don't know where you get your info since you just say "a recent poll" but your writing appears to smack of hypocrisy and paranoia. For one, the highest level of government has been controlled by Republicans in the executive branch (i.e the President) for 16 of the last 24 years. The legislative branch has been controlled by Republicans since 1994. The judicial branch has a 5-4 margin although officially it's non-political. So, since the conservative movement has a majority of the branches in the federal government, how is it the democrats have caused the "errepairable (sp) damage to the country?"


And you sir need to get your facts straight 16 of the last 24???? Just "what" was Bill Clinton? He sure as spit was NO republican! But as to the "rest" of your reply.....very concise and to the point!
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Reply #14 September 12, 2004 1:24:44 PM
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And you sir need to get your facts straight 16 of the last 24???? Just "what" was Bill Clinton? He sure as spit was NO republican!


Read closer, you even quoted it. He said Republicans have controlled the executive branch for 16 of the last 24 years. That means all the presidents since Reagan have been Republican EXCEPT FOR Bill Clinton.

Very well stated, rugbyshawn.
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Reply #15 September 12, 2004 3:21:30 PM
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Here's to making it 16 out of 28.

Cheers!
Take a look at the 4 prior to that ('76-'80) We had Carter, who spent the better part of a year begging Iran to give back our hostages.

Reagan came along and the Iranians knew that couldn't be good for them. The hostages were returned immediately. What followed was 8 years of foreign policy that was not appreciated at the time but the rewards are reaped now! Lybians turning over terrorists to us, A unified Germany, a Democratic Russian state. The decline of communism and an American Entrepreneurial boom that ultimately generated high tech innovation the world benefots from. Medicines not the least of them.
The last thing we need is another Carter or even a charismatic Clinton. We need somone tough. To "Fight a more sensative war on terror" is what the world wants but it is foolish. Appeasement has never orked before - the only reason to think it will now is Historical Ignorance.
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Reply #16 September 12, 2004 3:43:52 PM
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Reply #15 By: Wingman412 - 9/12/2004 3:22:29 PM
Here's to making it 16 out of 28.


Don't you mean 20 out of 28?
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Reply #17 September 12, 2004 7:09:12 PM
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All this says to me on the legislative branch is that we need to start limiting terms to cut the fat out of the legislative branch, so we can have a healthier, slimmer, and new thoughts, into the legislative branch. Kerry and Kennedy (also others) are glaring examples of what's wrong with not limiting the terms on Senators, and there are those who are glaring examples of not limiting the terms on Representatives. Should limit their terms so we can also have some new people in, so that old D.C. bureaucrats do not bog down the system.

Not that I have anything wrong with somebody over 70 running for congress, just that I have a problem with people who have been a Senator for close to 20 years, or a Represenative close to 20 as well.
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Reply #18 September 12, 2004 7:10:15 PM
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Reply #19 September 12, 2004 8:09:02 PM
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Don't you mean 20 out of 28?


ROFL

Yes. And that is why I never file my own taxes.
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Reply #20 September 17, 2004 1:21:57 AM
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BUSH CONTINUES TO HAVE A MASSIVE LEAD VS KERRY. HERE IS THE RECENT GALLOP POLL.

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Reply #21 September 17, 2004 7:56:44 AM
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"The American Research Group poll also concluded that without Nader, Kerry is leading Bush nationally by 48% by 45% and with Nader by 46% to 45% with Nader at 3%. Among likely voters, it is Kerry 47%, Bush 47%, Nader 3%. The Harris national poll (Sept. 9-13) puts Kerry ahead 48% to 47% and the Pew poll (Sept. 11-14) puts Bush ahead 47% to 46%. In contrast, Gallup (Sept. 13-15) has Bush ahead 55% to 42%. It is not clear why Gallup is contradicting three other polls that say the race is tied nationally." (electoral-vote.com) One selective poll does not an election make, especially when it is out of line with 3 others from the same time period!
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Reply #22 September 17, 2004 12:26:30 PM
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Reply #21 By: rugbyshawn - 9/17/2004 7:56:44 AM
"The American Research Group poll also concluded that without Nader, Kerry is leading Bush nationally by 48% by 45% and with Nader by 46% to 45% with Nader at 3%. Among likely voters, it is Kerry 47%, Bush 47%, Nader 3%. The Harris national poll (Sept. 9-13) puts Kerry ahead 48% to 47% and the Pew poll (Sept. 11-14) puts Bush ahead 47% to 46%. In contrast, Gallup (Sept. 13-15) has Bush ahead 55% to 42%. It is not clear why Gallup is contradicting three other polls that say the race is tied nationally." (electoral-vote.com) One selective poll does not an election make, especially when it is out of line with 3 others from the same time period!


Makes absolutely NO difference! The FACT remains that Nader IS running! And as such GW IS leading! And yes he may be leading because of Nader running, but again it makes no difference! Now if Nader was not running, THEN GW would be in trouble!
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Reply #23 September 17, 2004 12:33:25 PM
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drmiler, maybe you didn't read the post too closely even though you quoted it, but the other polls show that with Nader in the race, it is still within the MARGIN OF ERROR. Meaning that even though Kerry is ahead by 1 or Bush by 1 as all but the Gallup poll states, statistically it is a tie. Polls also can be off once in awhile if some part of the polling was not normalized correctly (i.e. too many of one party compared to the actual voting makeup etc). But which is more likely true? The 3 calling it a tie (plus the others not mentioned here calling it a tie) or the one calling it a blowout? As they say at centerforpolitics.org, anyone who thinks this race isn't close is too partisan to be helped.
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Reply #24 September 19, 2004 12:48:13 AM
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Polls still look good.
This poll does not factor in Nader and also follows up with asking "Is that a vote for ___ or against ___
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/nation/polls/usatodaypolls.htm
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Reply #25 September 19, 2004 3:08:46 AM
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The American Research Group poll also concluded that without Nader, Kerry is leading Bush nationally by 48% by 45% and with Nader by 46% to 45% with Nader at 3%. Among likely voters, it is Kerry 47%, Bush 47%, Nader 3%. The Harris national poll (Sept. 9-13) puts Kerry ahead 48% to 47% and the Pew poll (Sept. 11-14) puts Bush ahead 47% to 46%. In contrast, Gallup (Sept. 13-15) has Bush ahead 55% to 42%. It is not clear why Gallup is contradicting three other polls that say the race is tied nationally." (electoral-vote.com) One selective poll does not an election make, especially when it is out of line with 3 others from the same time period!


But of course you do know Pew Research skewed the poll number, right? What about both CBS and Rasmussen Report also have Bush leading. I don't think Gallup is the only one out of line. All in all, Gallup is by far the most respected polling agency because it provides more internal polling and polling method than anyone else. The following is a good summary of some of national polls.

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If you really care for polling method and statistic, I think you will enjoy the following website:
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