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The Blacklist Article

A cowards way out?

September 7, 2004 4:45:57 AM from JoeUser ForumsJoeUser Forums
A reply of mine to a certain religious article must of hit to close to home recently.

I only hoped that as opposed to just blacklisting me, the owner of the thread would have been mature enough to discuss the issue

Correct me if i am wrong but simply stamping a problem out instead of talking it through is the exact opposite of what we are trying to achieve in our friendly eBanter

Aren’t we just as bad (obviously on a smaller scale) as the politicians and terrorists we so often bring up here by displaying such actions?

I don’t intend for this to become a flaming thread, but i just had to voice my opinion
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Reply #1 September 7, 2004 7:19:18 AM
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People have the right to decide who can comment on their own blog.  Think of it as somebody's house.  If they don't like you, they don't have to let you in the door.  Some people like to debate, others just want to write and voice their views.  Some people don't allow comments at all, and some people don't leave their article up for very long.  It's a personal choice.


There is nothing wrong with people blacklisting other people, or not allowing comments at all. It all depends on what they want on their blog.

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Reply #2 September 7, 2004 7:51:56 AM
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While I agree in principle I feel that the black listing and deleting is getting out of hand.

If someone wants to post an article with no replies allowed then that is fine. Anyone reading that article can do so knowing that many others may disagree.

When someone allows responses, but then deletes or blacklists responses which they don't agree with I feel that there needs to be an indication of this. There needs to be some flag so that third parties are aware that the author is blacklisting people from responding, or has deleted certain responses. Without this awareness it looks like a majority of people agree with the article, giving JU the impression of being biased in that direction.

I believe the problem lies in the fact that articles are published. Any article published on the site for all to read should meet certain basic standards. One of these is that those who disagree should be able to do so. I have no problem with their disagreements being removed so long as people are aware that there were disagreements and preferrable that they can read those if they so wished.

Paul.
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Reply #3 September 7, 2004 8:01:46 AM
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JU is just a blog site.  People don't have to have a reason to delete and blacklist.  The basic standards for articles is published in the rules of the site.  Past that, each person has domain over their own blog.  They are the "admin" of their own blog and can run it as they wish.  If the article is on the forums then the admins will also moderate it, but it is up to the blog owner to decide what is written on their article and who can write it.  People don't have to allow anything on their blog that they don't want. 

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Reply #4 September 7, 2004 8:03:49 AM
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Heyyyyy, Cassman! Umm, I don't really know what to say. I checked out the thread that you linked, and I can see your perspective, I generally agree with you too, that's why I haven't bothered to comment, because I don't agree, and there's no point. Now that's just what I do, I know there are certain bloggers that irritate me, that I won't agree with what they say, and I just avoid their articles. I know there are certain people who won't appreciate a little debate, so I leave them alone too. Debate is all good and healthy, but sometimes people just don't want it. It's their blog, so they can do as they please. Don't worry about it. These things will happen, if it helps I still think you wicked! Hehe! Did Mugz wave to you for me? I told him to, but I don't think he did it *waves*
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Reply #5 September 7, 2004 10:26:55 AM
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JU is indeed a blog site and individual authors MUST have total control of their articles. This includes the right to delete or blacklist. I have no disagreement with this at all.

I would just like JU as a site to allow me be aware when an author is doing this so I don't waste time posting in their articles or reading one sided articles where the opposite point of view is not allowed. Even better would be the ability to actually read replies that have been removed from an article if I desired to read them.

Paul.
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Reply #6 September 7, 2004 6:51:03 PM
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so I don't waste time posting in their articles or reading one sided articles where the opposite point of view is not allowed


Yeah thats exactly right, but alas thats just how some people are

I know there are certain people who won't appreciate a little debate, so I leave them alone too


I think thats the way SallyJ!!!!! and yes, Muggaz gave me a big ol wave, i thought he was being queer for a moment, until he explained things

*waves* right back at ya!
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Reply #7 September 7, 2004 6:59:47 PM
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People don't have to have a reason to delete and blacklist.


People here often confuse themselves into thinking that this is the editorial page of a newspaper and not peoples blogs.

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Reply #8 September 8, 2004 8:47:37 AM
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I think thats the way SallyJ!!!!!


Ahh, hasn't Mugz told you I'm a wise lady, hehe!

i thought he was being queer for a moment


...what's new there huh!

*waves* right back at ya!


Awww I'm not strange I promise!
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Reply #9 September 9, 2004 12:11:42 PM
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There is a difference between debating and arguing. Some debates get personal and deteriorate into an exchange of useless verbage.
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Reply #10 September 9, 2004 12:24:32 PM
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While I agree in principle I feel that the black listing and deleting is getting out of hand.


I disagree. Just as the editor of a paper has editorial control over their production, so I should have editorial control over my own blog.

I have deleted very few articles during my time at joeuser. My usual reasons are that the opinions somehow egregiously detract from the conversations, and/or use my replies as a soapbox for their own contradictory theory, which, frankly, is why I feel they have their own blog sites. I don't work incredibly hard to keep my numbers up just so that someone else can hijack the popularity of my own site for their own gain. If you have a contradictory opinion and choose to link to it on my blog, that's another story entirely. I am more than happy to expose people to the flip side of the coin, just in the appropriate forum. That being said, I think I've deleted maybe three or four replies in my entire time on joeuser. Usually, I prefer to let it stand, but I can see why people would want to use the delete option; and I consider it their right.

As for blacklist, I am usually pretty sparing with blacklist. I will usually use it as a 'cooling off period" for both myself and the respondent. But again, i feel it is the blogger's prerogative.
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Reply #11 September 9, 2004 12:26:38 PM
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I will agree, though, that if you delete a response, responding to it in any other way than acknowledging the deletion is a tad unreasonable. If you're going to respond, people should be able to see what you are responding to, not just a quote box taken out of context.
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Reply #12 September 9, 2004 5:37:07 PM
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I will usually use it as a 'cooling off period" for both myself and the respondent


Well actually thats not a bad idea, some of the debates here can get quite heated...smart move
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