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August 26, 2004 8:07:26 PM from JoeUser ForumsJoeUser Forums
The Australian Prime minister has just announced that we will be spending $450 million dollars on long range cruise missiles to maintain our regional supremacy in the Asia Pacific region. Hello??

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Umm why is it that we are allowed to have long range cruise missiles yet other countries are condemned for having them or told not to even think of having them?

What makes our Prime Minister anymore sane than others? I consider our Prime Minister just as insane as the rest of them.


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Reply #1 August 26, 2004 8:14:10 PM
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Labor's defence spokesman, Kim Beazley, welcomed the purchase, but said it was critical Australia's neighbours were properly informed before the announcement was made


Well I guess that answers my question about what happens if the Liberal party loses this election

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Reply #2 August 26, 2004 8:19:52 PM
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Once Australia loses the F-111, a long range, effective strike capability is a required to replace it. $450 million is cheap!

to maintain our regional supremacy in the Asia Pacific region.


... that's the general idea!
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Reply #3 August 26, 2004 8:20:54 PM
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Hunting the islamic terrorist pirates in the Celebes sea???
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Reply #4 August 26, 2004 8:21:17 PM
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Hey Trina

I think it's really important that Australians really think about this coming election and who they vote for. The Greens are looking like a really good alternative, I wont be voting for liberals and I wont be voting for labor.

They both have short changed Australians and they both need a good wake up call. Even though I dont think the Greens would take over as leaders of this country at this point I do think the two parties that have been in control need to know that as Australians we arent complaicent. I like to believe that most Australians are intelligent enough to see what is happening in this country.

I like Muggaz's idea of forming a new party.
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Reply #5 August 26, 2004 8:29:01 PM
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I read an article in the age - and there is a 5% increase on the voting population of Australia this upcoming election, and the problem with all these young voters, is that they have no idea who to vote for - they agree with some policies from either party, and not others!

The sad truth is, if Labor do win, they are actually proposing an increase in defense spending

Here is an Idea for Johnny - dont belittle our neighbours, and we will have no reason to defend ourselves from them!!!

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Reply #6 August 26, 2004 8:29:46 PM
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Yeah but muggaz doesn't have any policys besides just vote for me because I say I'm better - we discussed this on another blog months ago.

In Queensland the Greens preferences went to Labor - I voted for Peter Beattie -- As I said to Muggaz yesterday - I vote by gut -- who I like - I know very little about politics and the issues so I vote for who I like as a person and so yeah
What happens to preferences in a Federal Election??
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Reply #7 August 26, 2004 8:30:30 PM
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Once Australia loses the F-111, a long range, effective strike capability is a required to replace it. $450 million is cheap!


My point is why do we need to in the first place, isnt this showing our neighbours that we dont trust them and we need to protect ourselves from them? Shouldnt it be that we need to work together and end the need for protection? It's an us and them mentality that I think we need to get over. Then we might be able to start working out the problems we have in this world.

Hello, we live on one planet, we are one race of Humanity. It will only take one big rock from out there to wipe us all out. Just one. It aint gonna discriminate.
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Reply #8 August 26, 2004 8:33:21 PM
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Here is an Idea for Johnny - dont belittle our neighbours, and we will have no reason to defend ourselves from them!!!


My point exactly! Like I said Muggaz, Im hoping that there are intelligent people in Australia.
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Reply #9 August 26, 2004 8:35:53 PM
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isnt this showing our neighbours that we dont trust them and we need to protect ourselves from them?


Ask the East Timorese how they felt about this 25 yers ago...

It's an us and them mentality that I think we need to get over.


... i'm happy to let them go first!
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Reply #10 August 26, 2004 8:40:02 PM
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What happens to preferences in a Federal Election??


If you ever get the chance to be a part of the counting of the votes Trina jump on it. It will open your eyes up to the shambles that goes on when counting happens. One thing I do know is you really need to number every box if you want your vote to count the way you want it to and to clearly mark the numbers, otherwise it can get so petty that a number 1 could look like a 7.Yeah it is that petty when it comes to preferences.

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Reply #11 August 26, 2004 8:44:34 PM
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Hunting the islamic terrorist pirates in the Celebes sea???


I think we have to worry more about the right wing christian fundamentalists right here in our own country.
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Reply #12 August 26, 2004 8:47:42 PM
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What happens to preferences in a Federal Election??


the way i understand it is that if you vote

2 Labor
4 Liberal
1 Greens
3 Democrat
5 Independent

.... or whatever, what they do is they count all the 1st preference votes first. then because you voted green and they're obviously not going to win, all the first preference green votes are redistributed based on their second preferences. so your vote then goes to labor (but if someone else voted 2 Liberal, their vote would go to the Libs). so it's still your choice, it's not like the greens say "oh, give all our votes to labor". then it keeps going like that until they work out who the winner is.... for that seat. then they look at all the seats in australia, the party with the most seats become the government and everyone else is the opposition and within the opposition the party with the most seats runs the opposition.

i think that's right, please correct me if i'm wrong.

"The Australian Prime minister has just announced that we will be spending $450 million dollars on long range cruise missiles to maintain our regional supremacy in the Asia Pacific region. Hello??"

hypocritical isn't it? and how are our pacific neighbours meant to react to that? of course they're going to feel like they're threatened by us and want to arm themselves so they can protect themselves. it's idealistic i know, but if no one had weapons no one else would need them. "regionally supreme" countries included. who said we were allowed to make the rules?
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Reply #13 August 26, 2004 8:55:46 PM
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hi phoenix.

just wanted to let you know that i stopped by. i'm a bit of a political dufus, so i wanted to thank you for providing this insight into a local issue. i enjoyed the article and the comments, and even though i have nothing to add (i wish i did !), it was good to have the chance to see the opinions of my fellow aussies on this issue. i appreciated it and wanted to say so.

vanessa/mig XX (aka ...
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Reply #14 August 26, 2004 9:02:51 PM
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i think that's right, please correct me if i'm wrong.


Yeah from observation while it is happening in the counting. I cannot stress enough though how important it is to make the numbers clearly visible. Sounds dumb but it is the way it works.

hypocritical isn't it?


Exactly! So India is condemned for testing, so is Pakistan. Korea is seen as an axis of evil, France is condemned for testing and having them, Yet we are allowed to? Does this make sense? Does it mean that our government is more responsible? Who is to say that in the future we wont get some mad man ( like we have today) who wouldnt use these weapons against our neighbours (arent we supposed to live in peace with neighbours? they are neighbours not enemies.. note: Howard is supposedly espousing from his vile mouth that we should be living upto Christian values one of which is Love thy Neighbour.). Who are we protecting ourselves from? Are we protecting ourselves from ourselves? Who gives the right to one country and not the other?
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Reply #15 August 26, 2004 9:06:00 PM
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just wanted to let you know that i stopped by. i'm a bit of a political dufus, so i wanted to thank you for providing this insight into a local issue.


Thanks for dropping by Migs!!! Im glad this brings some insight to you about whats happening in our country. Pass the word on. We need to wake up a little right here.
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Reply #16 August 26, 2004 9:08:20 PM
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It was supposed to be taken as a silly remark PB. Like taking a sledgehammer to a thumbtack.. Your thumb always gets in the way.
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Reply #17 August 26, 2004 9:17:06 PM
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Thanks for dropping by Migs!!!


the pleasure was all mine, phoenix !.

Im glad this brings some insight to you about whats happening in our country. Pass the word on. We need to wake up a little right here


thanks, phoenix. i'll follow this thread as part of my ongoing 'education' on the big, bad world !




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Reply #18 August 26, 2004 9:39:02 PM
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If you ever get the chance to be a part of the counting of the votes Trina jump on it


I have been involved with the AEC (Australian Electoral Commision) since I was old enough to take part... the last few elections I have been involved in the vote coutning process... aside from the fact that it is very easy money - it really does make you question your vote because so many morons make an extra effort to make sure their vote doesn't count, and it is easily up for interpretation...

One time, some imbecile went to the effort of sticking a picture of the M&M man (the red one) and marking a vote for him - stipulating that a red M&M could do a better job than any of the candidates

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Reply #19 August 29, 2004 12:34:57 AM
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Yet again our government takes us in a backward direction. We are just making ourselves a bigger target by having these missiles and to spend $450 million dollars on yet more weapons is obscene and is not the direction we should be heading in. I mean....we get more weapons and it starts a domino affect...we get more so they get more....so we had better get some more and they get more .....and so on....in the meantime....healthcare.....education and all the other more important things suffer for it.
I don't know how I'm voting exactly yet but I know little Johnny Liar will not be getting my vote...

What do people think of Peter Garret joining with Labor?
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Reply #20 August 30, 2004 12:28:24 AM
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in the meantime....healthcare.....education and all the other more important things suffer for it.


Thats right The Crusaders... but hey what I think is more laughable now is that Howard has said this election is now going to be based on "Trust"..how Funny! Now if he is reelected then all I can say is Australians get what they deserve.. and it aint going to be pretty.
What do people think of Peter Garret joining with Labor?


WHat a cop out is all I can say! HE should have joined the Greens and stood up for what he believed in... it just stinks of opportunism to me.
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Reply #21 August 31, 2004 7:00:10 PM
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Phoenixboi,

WHat a cop out is all I can say! HE should have joined the Greens and stood up for what he believed in... it just stinks of opportunism to me.

Perhaps he's just being smart about it and putting himself in a position , he would not reach from the Greens, take his ideals and beliefs with him and make a difference from a higher vantage point. Get his foot in the door, infiltrate enemy ranks, undermine their policy and lead it in a brave new direction.

Howard has said this election is now going to be based on "Trust"..how Funny! Now if he is reelected then all I can say is Australians get what they deserve.. and it aint going to be pretty.

I will not be voting for Howard...no way...no how! I think he's shown us who he is and I don't think he is in the best interest of the future of Australia.....and the World.

Wouldn't it be great to have a noble.....intelligent.....compassionate......honest ...kind.....charismatic.....didnified......leader in our midst....who we could look up to and be proud to have him represent and guide us........Someone who has the best interests of everyone in their heart......who strives not for pride and power...but..peace and compassion......
............................Whoa....better snap out of that one....
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Reply #22 August 31, 2004 7:12:52 PM
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Imagine what $450million could do in they way of reducing poverty, and aiding in the development of education and infrastructure in our surrounding area....

I mean it wouldnt resolve but a small percentage of the problems in the asia-pacific region, but it sure as hell would be beneficial in aiding that good ol group i like to call 'humanity'.

If any goverment did that, they would win my vote....
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