hmmm... try this. it should get you a capship cap as high as your computer can stand:

In Sins of a Solar Empire/GameInfo/RESEARCHSUBJECT_MAXCAPITALSHIPSTECH0 or Sins of a Solar Empire/GameInfo/RESEARCHSUBJECT_MAXCAPITALSHIPSPHASE0 (tech = tec, phase = vasari)

change this line:

baseValue 1.0

to this:

baseValue 99999.0

That should change the number of crews you start off with to 99999. I tested it with the vasari phase missile tech.

precisely, I've had battles of well over 5000 ships raging in a universe, while it slowed my FPS to between 8-10 I was still having a hell of a time.
(obviously not on the same screen at once)

with this limit thats completely impossible

I'm not commenting on any absolutes emp, what I'm commenting on is that we have a new game thats been designed in a grand total of 2 months by an indy company. yes the flashy things and the graphics have been carried over from previous internal designs, but the core mechanics and balance are as new as the photos we've been given. I've seen last minute choices completely wreck games before, and because its part of the main build I doubt that the devs will have the option to change it if they indeed do see that the system will fail.

I've kindof always swallowed painfully the fact that IC and SD have barely released anything even close to the final build to us, under guise of making it useful. however its acceptable when the changes are either thin or vain, but when the changes go down deep into the core of the gameplay mechanic (and most importantly, was changed in the last 2 months of the game's development) then the truth is simply that we've not had any effect on the game that is profound in any way, just some flashy add ons here or there (maybe with the exclusion of the removal of phase lanes between stars)

Ron if it was a 1v1 battle it probably wouldnt be an issue, but when you have to partition out a force based on how many people you are facing thats where the problem begins. even if you do somehow push back the small empire through battles of attrition, another empire will use that time to sweep back at you.

it would not nescessarily be a bad thing if the system wasnt completely divorced of empire size. because it is there is no "momentum" to having more planets and attaining victory over territory, it purely comes down to a who can manufacture faster system (which doesnt help the attacker much because most of his planets outturn 15% of their income, making it difficult to even make up for losses due to defenses)


Ron, he's in the Gam-ma, the Gamma, the internal build test, the "I have access to pretty much the complete game" test.

understand?

would be if it had a hope of being implemented.


and for those of you who think modding is remotely an option, you're ignoring the fact that I want most of these "finicky" little things for multiplayer, not singleplayer. and changing the base numbers can be done, it generally makes the game unstable (as the system has now been optimized for a certain range)

Ron multi said something that blows your supposed argument out of the sky:

in response to my question of who supported it. this amongst a slew of other hints (including 1) that multi mysteriously dissapeared at the time the gamma came out and 2) that he plays a hell of a lot more than I do and even I got the gamma invitation)





*sigh*
I'm not even going to point out why all four reasonings here seem relatively shallow.
no, screw it, I am going to

1) arent there already systems in place to stop the "power potential" slide? namely allegiance and defense mechanisms.
2) if a player is playing on a map where their system is going to bog down because they cant handle the maximum number of ships, how is that my problem (better question yet, how is their system handling the galaxy? it takes resources as well)
3) I cant see this making balance easier, at the very least I see it making balance a lot tougher to achieve because instead of the game being inherently similar at different scales it is now inherently different (smaller maps have a significantly higher unit density)
4) as for unit control, that goes back to the issue of map size.

*sigh* I hope you guys are right about this, but if you are: why didnt you make these adjustments so that they could be tested in the beta? how come you're trying to balance a completely new system at the very last possible minute?

That comment doesn't pre-suppose any access the "average joe" wouldn't have. Its something anyone with half a brain can think of.



Not all that effective, though.

I propose we all just wait for the games release. Then we can see how the new system works with the solid unit cap.


If it works badly, we all grab our pitchforks and torches and politely hand IC/SD a petition to add X feature to resolve this. If this fails, we carpool to their building with said pitchforks and torches.

Most of the game changes have been taken from suggestions on the forums. If you didn't like something you could've argued against it when it was proposed. Yes, we didnt get this version, but you're acting like it will be the final version of the game, and thats that. When clearly it will change.

Just be patient, in two days we will all know.

I've bin reading up on this game verry hevaly and well let's just say I have much to say. I'm for a great game with a neer endless supply of ships but at the same time I would like it to be sorta realistic. You can't have one planet buy itse;f produce some 20k ships for it's defents and mantain the ships and persinel on all thouse ships and still have a thriving econmy on the planet. I think there shouldn't be realy a set limmit per say but take ALL things into considration and though econmy place a restriction on the total number of ships.

*Esample* I have in my posetion 10 planets. 2 of wich are a joke in sise 4 are well sise and the rest (4 for thouse who have a hard time counting or adding) for this set up say i have a limmit of rofly 10,000 units coming to me every 10 minnits. First the enconimy itself will take from that what it will for the 10 planets and there respectibel construction that I have ordered, followed by reserch to advance myself, followed lasty by ship constrution then the ships matnes. Each ship should consum something of my remaing 10k resorces (the crew have to eat and get treated for sickness as well as standered matness) When ships enter battel there gona take more resorses (manuvring and fireing) and of cores damning control and repair. If I want a larger amount of resorces or I'm willing to sacrifice devlipment or research I can increase the number of ship I can mantain idely or though further develimpent in teck and the planets i can get more rec. per minit. There should be some form of limmit but it should be mesered by what the planets and anomily can support just like a real army.

Sorry bit lengthy. Annyway that's how I feal things should be done. I say this coming from a strong stance, not a week one. AMD 5200+ Dul. 2.61 ghz, Geforce 8800 GTS, 4 gig 6800 (this comp is already 1.2 years old). I can handel what's thrown at me and I hope this game will have the ability to task my comp. I hope to see MASSIVE online battels with 300 planet system or maybe more taking up a full month of time.

But I have sead more then I should so I end this. Thank you thouse who read though my lengthy rant. *bow*

No, its supposed to work that way. You aren't paying for the ships, you are paying for the beurocracy that keeps the ships in tip top shape. This buerocracy doesnt just die with the ships, its still there and everything, it still needs to be paid.

It was made this way cause many people would just build really really big fleets and bull doze over everyone without giving it a second thought. Now you have to think about it, cause if you fail, you fail big, because not only do you not have a huge number of ships anymore you also need to pay for the huge amount of beurocratic leeches your uber fleet created.

Well, I can go with that. Building the ships is one thing, but having the logistics system in place is another deal.

As silly as it may seem from some perspectives.

The Hypno-Toad has spoken, all obey The Hypno-Toad!!!

Sounds like a plan.

Hopefully you will make a sticky on how to change the unit cap and how to share the mod with friends for online matches (i haven't seen this explained anywhere yet) until you get a patch out to fix it if required.


I as long as it's fixed (if the cap if actually a problem) relatively quickly, it won't be a major issue for 90% of players who will most likely be still learning the game and not touching the HUGE maps for the first week or 2.

I've trusted IC/SD up to this point, so I'll trust kermit jr here and take his word that final release is more fun, but he proved schod and my point when he said beta 4 and release is THAT different. We now have no idea what the release will be like because the dynamic duo keeps all this info from it's beta testers, people who paid to have a say in the game they already bought. I can only think of a handful of gameplay mechanics that we had a say in, and it sounds like many gameplay mechanics got an overhaul, one of them being a mechanic that we did seem to have a say in, so who knows what else has been changed.

Again though, I will echo my point before, a larger empire should have a larger navy. Otherwise it's awkward, and as I said before, will discourage people from expanding, one of those 4Xs IC/SD's PR department loves to throw around (which as of beta 4, was no more a 4X than starcraft or rise of nations or some such RTS game).

And I do want to say that I have faith that IC/SD will indeed fix any gameplay breaking issue quickly, it's just that they shouldn't have to.