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Rush tactics

January 21, 2008 5:07:37 PM from Sins of a Solar Empire ForumsSins of a Solar Empire Forums
In the past i've always hated most RTS games like C&C, starcraft and Age of empires kind of games simply because in multiplayer battles lasted a whole 5 minutes as the favourite tactic was to rush in the first 30 seconds with the weakest troops. I'm hoping sins will be different. So how well does rushing work in sins, or does it not work at all?

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Reply #1 January 21, 2008 5:26:52 PM
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While it is theoretically possible on some of the smaller maps, it would be difficult to do at best. Everyone gets on Capitol Ship to begin with, which is the only ship capable of even damaging a Planet without prior research or a thriving economy. Plus, attackers are at a natural disadvantage because you lose antimatter when you jump from planet to planet. By the time they reach your homeworld they will have none left for any abilities. making their ship vulnerable to counter-attack. Trust me, losing your flagship before you can afford to replace it is not a good sign.

Anyone who dedicates all their resources to early army building will find a nasty surprise when they run up on an opponent with better weapons, better ships and a better economy.
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Reply #2 January 21, 2008 5:29:29 PM
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There is one widely usd rush tactic that uses a Sova's quick strike supperiority in earlier games to kill the home planet.

However, it only works if the person being rushed picked a marza because it lacks fighter capacity.
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Reply #3 January 21, 2008 5:30:58 PM
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there is defiantly no rushing like in starcraft. U can very early build turrents around your planet which are very tough to beat and not too expensive.
Then it also shouldnt be ignored that every grav well has pirates in it, making it hard to go straight to the enemy without taking damage and you will need your ships to free systems from pirates to colonize them else your economy will be so bad so that ur opponent will outnumber you fast.
On top of this a single Cap ship will need a long time to do decent damage on the opponents planet so that the effects of rushes are even smaller.
Dont get me wrong, u can attack early and it can be effective but i wouldnt call it a classical "rush".
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Reply #4 January 21, 2008 5:32:15 PM
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I rush only with a Marza

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But LinkesAuge is right, there is no "classic rushing".

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Reply #5 January 21, 2008 5:34:44 PM
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There is one widely usd rush tactic that uses a Sova's quick strike supperiority in earlier games to kill the home planet.

However, it only works if the person being rushed picked a marza because it lacks fighter capacity.

um... quite the contrary

marza is the most efficient rusher due to its planet strike capabilities, of which the Sova is particularly weak against due to its unformidable strike power, sovas are a poor choice for an early rush.
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Reply #6 January 21, 2008 5:38:03 PM
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No they aren't Sova's are good rushers, maybe not planet bombers. But the Sova has the best chance to take out other caps early game
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Reply #7 January 21, 2008 5:43:45 PM
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having played against both Ron and Yarlen with this tactic (or maybe it was multi) I can assure you the sova does not succeed. It simply doesnt have the attack power nescessary to kill another ship (let alone the Marza, are you Fing kidding me?) yes you could *try* to kite, but 2 or 3 bombers does barely more damage than gets regenerated, and its simply a matter of predicting the sova's path to catch up (not especially difficult considering that he has two directions, toward you and away)

you could never pull off a kill with a level 3 sova against anything but another sova or an idiot player. a marza will be at your hw with a full supply of frigates backing him up, the sova cannot win against that (because it inherently does not have any frigate support if you try to kite, and it doesnt have the staying power if you try to fight)
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Reply #8 January 21, 2008 5:44:55 PM
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scout rush of doom, that is all...
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Reply #9 January 21, 2008 6:07:00 PM
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I agree with schem on this one. (A sign of the apocalypse?)

If you want to rush, bring a marza for planet bombing, not a carrier. It's not just about winning, it's about making it count, and that's rahter difficult with a carrier.

Add the fact that the Sova works a lot better as a supporting ship, with other doing the heavy hitting, it's not a great choice for a small, early attack.
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Reply #10 January 21, 2008 8:48:09 PM
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how come the apocalypse is a continuous event? I always thought the Earth got destroyed only once.
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Reply #11 January 21, 2008 9:54:33 PM
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I always thought the Earth got destroyed only once.


Thats actually quite a common misconception.
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Reply #12 January 21, 2008 11:29:43 PM
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having played against both Ron and Yarlen with this tactic (or maybe it was multi) I can assure you the sova does not succeed. It simply doesnt have the attack power nescessary to kill another ship (let alone the Marza, are you Fing kidding me?) yes you could *try* to kite, but 2 or 3 bombers does barely more damage than gets regenerated, and its simply a matter of predicting the sova's path to catch up (not especially difficult considering that he has two directions, toward you and away)

you could never pull off a kill with a level 3 sova against anything but another sova or an idiot player. a marza will be at your hw with a full supply of frigates backing him up, the sova cannot win against that (because it inherently does not have any frigate support if you try to kite, and it doesnt have the staying power if you try to fight)


It wasn't me that you played a rusher with, but I have a replay that clearly shows a Sova killing a Marza. Eeets did a rush on Shadowhal the other day, and won... He only did it because the map didn't have anything except the star between him and his opponent, and he poured *everything* into that assault to make it work... but he managed a successful rush.

Of course, once the bomber / fighter "hold position" exploit is fixed, that won't happen anymore...
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Reply #13 January 21, 2008 11:32:35 PM
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It wasn't me that you played a rusher with

Ron I remember it clear as day, you had your sova at my planet and were panicking because the marza was blowing your HW away at a rediculous speed. you sent your sova back to retaliate but when you got there you simply didnt have the strike power nescessary to take down the marza (even with an equal (or greater, I forget) number of frigs)
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Reply #14 January 21, 2008 11:36:01 PM
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It wasn't me that you played a rusher with

Ron I remember it clear as day, you had your sova at my planet and were panicking because the marza was blowing your HW away at a rediculous speed. you sent your sova back to retaliate but when you got there you simply didnt have the strike power nescessary to take down the marza (even with an equal (or greater, I forget) number of frigs)


What are you talking about... n/m, I don't even want to know. At this point, I'm going to have to say back it up with a replay, or it didn't happen (at least not the way you seem to think it did).
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