One liberal or another, it really doesn't make a difference.  Hillary or Obama won't make it in a general election.

Reply By: Island DogPosted: Monday, January 07, 2008One liberal or another, it really doesn't make a difference. Hillary or Obama won't make it in a general election.

Do not bet on that. Obama has the ability to bring out the youth, the white vote (look at Iowa) and the black vote. He is viewed as the most likely to produce the CHANGE the majority of the voters seem to want. He is the BEST speaker of ALL the candidates and was against the Iraq war from the outset . If he wins a few more states like Iowa he may be an avalanche that neither the other Democratic candidates not any of the Republicans can stop. Link him with someone like Biden to round out the foreign policy experience and the GOP may best spend their time planning for 2012.

Reply By: lulapilgrimPosted: Monday, January 07, 2008Anthony,What's extraordinary about Barack Hussein Obama?

The way he can energize the voters. He has the ability to speak and energize people in a way that dwarfs the other candidates.

Define "Change" would you?

Get out of Iraq. Focus the fight in Afghanistan and Pakistan Change the image we have of ourselves and the way others look at the U.S. He will move to solve Social Security by lifting the income cap. He will move to provide health care for more Americans. He will move us forward to develop more U.S. Controlled Energy. He will cut taxes for the middle class and increase taxes on the wealthy. His policies will be more directed to benefit the Middle Class. None of the above are what most Conservatives want to see but they are the CHANGES that most Americans want!
The error of the GOP is that they do not admit MOST Americans are NOT Conservatives!!!!!!!!! We do not want a Conservative White House or Congress. We do not want a conservative Court!

Reply By: Anthony RPosted: Monday, January 07, 2008'What's extraordinary about Barack Hussein Obama?' Well, for one thing, he seems to be putting an end to Hillary Clinton, thats something I would never have thought possible... not in a million years.

I agree. He will also put an end to the Republican candidates for President!

Anything from a media poll of 800 Americans....

Every election is always about change. So in this sense, this is nothing new. What the electorate has to decide is change in which direction. There is good change and bad change. About the only one who is talking real change of our out of control US government seems to be Dr. Ron Paul, a philosophical libertarian. His beliefs promise nothing short of a revolution. He has strict allegience to the Constitution and personal freedom. In the last debate, Mitt Romney also acknowledged several times that Washington is a mess that needs fixing.



Everyone on both sides wants our military out of Iraq. But when that should be done is the more proper question, isn't it? All the Democrat candidates have the same posture on getting the military out... on a designated public timetable...Hillary for example says she'd order it within 60 days of taking office. In reality, wouldn't that embolden, abet and strengthen the confidence of our brutal jihadist enemies who worship violence?



Change the image we have of ourselves? What's that mean...put people in office who will pass policies or maintain those that rid America of God moreso than we already have? Is that the new vision of AMerica's mind and heart?

America is the only nation whose Constitution the early founders were willing to die for. The purpose of our government is to protect the rights and integrity of our citizens and all the other countries whether they admit it or not, covet what we have. All that will be put at risk if socialists who like France's form of government better than the American apparatus prevail.

What a load of BS. Does this mean you will stop obsessing over Bush and obsess over Obama now?

Because I point out how Bush has screwed up does not mean I am obsessed. The changes I listed I support and I believe the majority support. We will not get the changes needed with any of the leading GOP candidates-- Just more warmed over Bush policies that we do not need!!!!!

America is the only nation whose Constitution the early founders were willing to die for. The purpose of our government is to protect the rights and integrity of our citizens and all the other countries whether they admit it or not, covet what we have. All that will be put at risk if socialists who like France's form of government better than the American apparatus prevail.

The only people who are being protected are the wealthy and those that run the businesses in this country. The average person is getting no ware. Look at the energy costs and the housing industry. Look at the millions of manufacturing jobs that have gone to other countries.

I can not wait to see what the majority of people on this web site have to say after the November 2008 election. The spin will be something to watch!!!

The wealthy (top 10 of the richest people) are the ones currently paying the highest tax rates--- 70%. The bottom 50% pay 3% of all the taxes. I think statistics will show that the average person is the one who run the businesses in this country. If they are getting no where, it's most likely because of state regulations and high taxes.


All the Democrats would only hike those up.



We have plenty of oil in our own land and need not be held captive to those who wear sheets in Saudi Arabia, etc. It's the Democrats who forbid drilling in ANWAR and off shore and opening up new refineries.

As far as the housing industry and banking industry goes, you will see that it's always the problem of Democrats who favor more regulation rather than left in private hands. Think of the 1980s S& L scandal where something like 500 billion was wasted by Democrats.
Bamkers were given vastly extended lending authority which would be their undoing. Not too much different today. How long can lending institutions give out loans with 0 down payment to unqualified borrowers and stay in business?



Blame in part organized labor for that...and with unfair trade regulation and high taxes, what incentive is there for to invest in enrepreneurial activities? Isn't it the Democrats who prefer no pollution in the air (of factories) over food in our mouths?

sorry the top three democrats have decided that they won't get out for at least a year after they take office.

Absolutely not and that is why i said he should use it intentionally...... but he is not a Muslim, so why are you obsessed with his middle name?

And if you like to know how his "heritage" affect his policies ..... why not just address the topic straight up? is this your way of presenting things "under the radar"?

That is the kind of change we need Lula. we dont need that kind of wink wink attitudes ..... nothing wrong at all in open frank and honest discussion ..... we have enough of putting things under the radar way of doing things or discussing issues.



the explanation is very obvious Lula. Filtering things doesnt guarantee anything. all it does is open the door to filtering other things .... which is censorship at large. there are supposed to be teachers at school to supervise what kids do on the internet. not only porno, how about drugs, violence, and all kinds of bad manners and behaviors.... you filter that too? kids with internet unsupervised is a bad thing no matter how much you filter things.

I give a great example: last week i noticed that my 8 yr old grandson is copying something from his laptop. I said, what are you writing? he said: Gampy, you wont believe this but i know how to cheat in the SO AND SO videao game.... I said what? he said there are codes you can buy if you want to use higher levels in that game but i found a site that has those codes and i can copy them and use them without buying them. He was very excited and happy that he found a way to get waht he want without paying for it ..... there was a long discussion about honesty and nothing for free and stealing and that kind of thing.

Can you please tell me how can you filter that? I didnt even know that kind of thing existed on the net. That is why he voted against it. it was not the solution .... supervision and guidance is.

The same thing with book stores. You really believe 1000ft away is the solution? If the community allows the existence of this kind of stores .... the kids are at risk no matter how far away the stores are. again that was not the solution.....

you may differ with him on this ..... but his logic is not without merits. I agree with him.there are better ways to protect the kids .... and we must do it.

But you present what he did as "he won't protect children from evil"..... that is misleading Lula. acutually more than misleading ... it is plain false accusation. that is not an honest discussion.

I am not ga-ga over this man. I do not want him as president. but it is not the federal governments job to protect children from evil.


it is the governments job to protect children/society from evil people. such as child predators.


it is the job of parents to point out what is evil.

We have plenty of oil in our own land and need not be held captive to those who wear sheets in Saudi Arabia, etc. It's the Democrats who forbid drilling in ANWAR and off shore and opening up new refineries.

The most optimistic estimate of the oil in ANWARE is 3% of our consumption. If you believe we have all the oil WE NEED, you are out of it. Gas and home heating oil is the highest cost EVER. GREAT JOB Bush and Cheney. Don't you think our two former oil men have help us become FOREIGN OIL DEPENDENT! It is their legacy to BIG OIL!!!!!