kudos Ted....

Universal health care is portrayed as socialized medicine because it IS socialized medicine, however you slice it. I believe we need to fix a broken system, but the proposals on the table aren't the way to do it.

Few of us are old enough to remember it, but hospitals used to be charitable organizations. It really is within my lifetime that the serious push to make them corporations began. When they were non-profits, they were more able to accomodate the needs of the indigent; as long as they are corporations, return on shareholder investment will ALWAYS be a primary concern! This means rural areas get the axe (can't make a profit unless you can pull in volume), and those who cannot pay will always get the short end of the stick.



Giving state responsibilities to state governments won't raise taxes, it will reduce federal taxes and allow residents the CHOICE at the state level. Suddenly, I don't have to pay for a Boston road project or an LA bridge. I can help ensure that funds are raised where I live and work, and SPENT where I live and work.



And yet every TV has an "off" button. Glad to see you're no friend of the First Amendment here...



NAFTA was signed into law by one William Jefferson Clinton. Last I checked, the man is not a member of the GOP.



Let's talk for a moment about "carbon credits", the darling program of the left. How does allowing a company to buy pollution credits eliminate pollution, exactly? How does using more electricity in a month than most Americans use in a YEAR (Al Gore) helping to reduce our impact?

Yes, our politicians are lying to us, but they are Republican and Democrat alike. We need real solutions, and Washington isn't providing those.

I thought this was a good, thought provoking article.  People just really have to dig deep and educate themselves about the issues.  Unfortunately truth seems to be in the eye of the beholder and there is definately a spin on everything.  Of course, they are going to present it in the best possible light to win the most support.  I have searched for a "just the facts" political site and most sites definately seem to promote a particular viewpoint.  I just read both sides and generally the truth is somewhere in the middle.  What frustrates me is when people just accept the spin and don't look any deeper. 

with no basis in facts (or accompanied by any), not a fact. You stated your opinions as if they were facts, and in so doing, deceived others as to the true facts.

Oh Really? let's see:

You need a proof that the SS is already in trouble? if you dont already know that, then where were you in the last 10 years? living under a rock?

and if you know that, which i am sure you do, then tell me how would it survive after you cut its income by 2%?

And Tax credits for relocating manufacturing plants is not an incentive to relocate outside the country? you need a proof that we lost most of our manufacturing base since 1980's? Reagan plainly said he was going to transform our economy to service economy. and he did. what proof do you need more than that? and you didnt know that already?

And the health care systems used by Canada, France, UK, Germany is socialized medicine? these countries are following socialism systems? not free market? and they all pay less and get better service

what opinions did i mention? it is all known facts. If you are not aware of them ... please go and look for yourself.

Yes, our politicians are lying to us, but they are Republican and Democrat alike. We need real solutions, and Washington isn't providing those.

Exactly. I dont care who is deceiving us .... it has to stop.

Gid, i am living in NJ. it is a very good State and I like it here. But all the problems of Washington exists in Trenton. and all I get from Fed tax reductions is higher property taxes and all the other higher payments i mentioned. I actually added it all up and subtracted what i got from Fed tax reductions .... i lost. Try doing it yourself and you will see.

We need to fix a lot of things. Washington is the first and all other State Capitals to follow.... we have a big mess .... Putting tax cut as cure-all fix-all policy is a fallacy that must stop.

Oh, I know what's happening, TA. It's called tax shifting, and I don't approve of it either. But it doesn't justify maintaining a bloated federal budget.

I disagree that it needs to start in Washington, it needs to START in local communities and work its way up. If communities can show that they can truly make progress in addressing these programs WITHOUT throwing more money at it, then we can start a model for other communities to follow.



OK, we can agree there. Tax cuts should be part of a comprehensive reform that includes a lot more than just cutting taxes. Just as throwing money at the problem doesn't fix it, neither does removing money in and of itself fix things.

 

Oh Really? let's see: You need a proof that the SS is already in trouble?

When your budget is not even balanced, and you cut your income 2%

See the quotes?  See the spin?  Both are your quotes.  SS IS balanced today. Yet you tell Ted it is not (in fact it is running a huge surplus).

The spin is here:

When dismantling the Social Security program

Show me where ANYONE has talked about dismantling it?  2%?  That is dismantling it?  Hardehar har.  Good one.  I did not know you also wrote comedy.

So tell me again about your "Facts"?

And Tax credits for relocating manufacturing plants is not an incentive to relocate outside the country? you need a proof that we lost most of our manufacturing base since 1980's?

No, I need something better than 7 degrees of freedom that exists between your statement and the facts.  Show me where it was a cause and effect.  But please be honest enough not to eliminate things like lower wages over seas, lower tax burdens (outside of tax credits - we are talking the foreign taxes) when doing your "proof".

Notice in my response I did not say you are wrong.  I said it was your OPINION.  That it is, and opinions do not require facts.  If you want to try to start throwing facts in here, do so honestly.  Do not just list your gripes as facts.  I can cherry pick the numbers too and show you how the reduction of Pirating has lead to global warming.  And the numbers are a lot stronger than anything you can produce.

You did not start this off with "here are some issues I have problems with", you started it off as "honesty is a forbidden policy" immediately branding anyone who disagrees with you as dishonest.  In vulgar circles, we just say liar, but you can euphamize it to "dishonest".

Thinkaloud, SS is running at a surplus, which is why Congress (yes, on both sides) likes to raid it for other programs.

SS isn't in trouble because it isn't bringing in enough money, it is in trouble because the Baby Boomers are retiring and there isn't enough workers to cover their SS benefits.

If you can't afford to retire, you don't. Retirement is not a right or an entitlement.

BTW - 2 points. It will not be ok on its own as it is.

And number 2, who mixed it in the first place? Hint: It was not a Bush (or even a Clinton).

There may be some lies and deceit from Bush, but a lot more from the opposition. Number 1 lie: It is a retirement account. No, it is a tax. If it is an account, why not let me direct where MY money (the money I put in) is invested? Sign a waiver if I lose it all? Damn Straight! You worried about "losing" yours? Put it into T-Bills. Unless the government goes belly up (in which case you dont have to worry about retirement) those are as secure as it gets (better than the ponzi scheme now).

And for the record, who is talking about the "lock Box" of social security? Look at the IOwa Caucus and the Democrat leadership in congress. Google the term. See how many times they used it.

No, the deceit here is that you bought into the lies, and then turned around and shopped this article based on those lies.

if you tell the truth more people may die in the panic than from the rock.

How is waiting weeks or months for a simple procedure "better" service?