Business Interests Conflict with what is Best for America!

then the government needs to address the two things that they control. which is helping to make prices go up.

these are taxes and minimum wage.

if you raise taxes prices will go up.

if you raise minimum wage prices will go up and people will lose their jobs

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Island Dog

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More gloom and doom.

1. Blame Bush/GOP/Business
2. Tell how democrats will "save" us
3. When called out, repeat step 1

Edwards talking about corrupt politicians.....hahahahaha!

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We need to change our tax laws that allow companies to form these off shore shams to avoid U.S. taxes. We need to have trade policies that deal with currency manipulation and tariffs that are being added to our products. We need to offset subsidies that foreign governments give to foreign companies. We need to provide both incentives to create American manufacturing jobs and penalties for moving American Jobs to other countries

Take a walk around your home and look where the things you own were made. I bet almost NONE were made in America! Entire industries are gone-Electronics, Steel, Toys and Clothing. We need a Marshall Plan to develop alternate energy equipment and new more efficient cars. That will require subsidies to companies that develop and produce this equipment in the U.S. We need to provide subsidies for individuals to be able to afford geothermal and solar conversion equipment for their homes. We need tax credits to companies that invest in clean energy systems for their plants and offices. Some of this can be funded by taking the tax credits given to Big Oil and redirect this money to the production and purchase of clean energy systems. Some of the money should come from closing loop holes in our tax laws to benefit the few!

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Daiwa

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We need to change our tax laws that allow companies to form these off shore shams to avoid U.S. taxes.

How's about we create a tax structure without incentives to go offshore, Gene? The whole notion of "business taxes" is a sham in the first place - no business "creates" money, it all comes from consumers of their products. Business taxes were and are a charade to raise taxes on individuals without being honest about it, perpetrated by chicken-shit politicians with the spine of a wet noodle. The whole notion of taxing "excess profits" is socialist idiocy, but then, idiocy is your stock-in-trade.

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Reply By: DaiwaPosted: Friday, December 14, 2007

We need to change our tax laws that allow companies to form these off shore shams to avoid U.S. taxes.

How's about we create a tax structure without incentives to go offshore, Gene? The whole notion of "business taxes" is a sham in the first place - no business "creates" money, it all comes from consumers of their products. Business taxes were and are a charade to raise taxes on individuals without being honest about it, perpetrated by chicken-shit politicians with the spine of a wet noodle. The whole notion of taxing "excess profits" is socialist idiocy, but then, idiocy is your stock-in-trade.

WHY should business not help pay for the government that enables then to be in business? Just where would the lost tax revenue be made up? We currently spend $400-500 Billion MORE then we tax each year and please do not tell me we can cut that amount from the budget. In addition we need about $200-300 billion more per year to be used to pay down the $9 Trillion in debt we have amassed. In addition we have an ageing infrastructure that will require a massive investment for our society to operate. Where do you think that money will come from?

When you look at the world we live in the function of government just to protect us is going to far more expensive in the future. We need a massive investment to develop a clear alternate energy system thought this country which will be another huge investment but is essential to our survival. We have to deal with the Baby Boomers and the impact of that abnormal number of births that is a direct result of WWII. This is not being negative but facing the REALITIES that face us and that will face our children. The next 50 years will REQUIRE that the United States Deal with ALL of these issues. The tax revenue we currently generate will simply NOT be enough to deal with these issues. We would be in a far better situation if starting in 1981 we would have BALANCED our budget and then we would not have the almost $500 BILLION DOLLARS we MUST pay every year in INTEREST on the National Debt! You and others on this Blog site need to look at the data from the Comptroller General. The current tax policy IGNORES the reality of our needs and those needs will not go away!

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Daiwa

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WHY should business not help pay for the government that enables then to be in business?

BECAUSE, numbnutz:

1) THE GOVERNMENT DOES NOT ENABLE ANYTHING. WE, THE PEOPLE, enable the government here. Without business, there would be no government. The Founders would have run you out of town & sent you back to England to help George fudge up some more taxes for other British Colonies.

2) Businesses simply collect the tax from their consumers - they don't PAY for anything. If you want higher prices for all those poor people you squeal about all day everyday, then raise business taxes all you want.

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Daiwa

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When you look at the world we live in the function of government just to protect us is going to far more expensive in the future.

Then that's what it should do & damn little else.

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You remind me of someone, Col.

I'm really, REALLY fearing a "Luke, I am your faaaaaather" moment here!

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Reply By: DaiwaPosted: Saturday, December 15, 2007

WHY should business not help pay for the government that enables then to be in business?

BECAUSE, numbnutz:1) THE GOVERNMENT DOES NOT ENABLE ANYTHING. WE, THE PEOPLE, enable the government here. Without business, there would be no government. The Founders would have run you out of town & sent you back to England to help George fudge up some more taxes for other British Colonies.

Without government and the systems and protections government provides Business COULD NOT OPERATE you IDIOT!!

2) Businesses simply collect the tax from their consumers - they don't PAY for anything. If you want higher prices for all those poor people you squeal about all day everyday, then raise business taxes all you want.

If we did not have the tax revenue from business we would need to increase Income taxes even more!

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Reply By: DaiwaPosted: Saturday, December 15, 2007

When you look at the world we live in the function of government just to protect us is going to far more expensive in the future.

Then that's what it should do & damn little else.

If you look at the discretionary part of the budget, the VAST majority of what we spend is for things like:

Uniformed military

Coast Guard

FBI and Intelligence

Border Security and other Home land security functions.

We have the Dept of Transportation.

Dept of Commerce

Treasury

EVERY one of the above will require more money because they are mostly Wage Driven and because we are in more danger.

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Reply By: Gideon MacLeishPosted: Saturday, December 15, 2007You remind me of someone, Col.I'm really, REALLY fearing a "Luke, I am your faaaaaather" moment here!

Your refusal to acknowledge the kinds of things the Comptroller General has documented will not make them go away. They are REAL and will require a major increase in the tax revenue to deal with them in the NEAR future. We also are paying almost $500 Billion Dollars EVERY YEAR in Interest because of the $9 Trillion Dollars of Debt. That too will not go away UNTIL we REPAY that debt!

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Daiwa

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Without government and the systems and protections government provides Business COULD NOT OPERATE you IDIOT!!

Without business, asswipe, there would be no government. Business was in business long before there was government. You have become confused about what serves who, Gene - the government serves us, it does not enable us to do anything. At our request, it regulates certain things, but it enables nothing. Only a socialist views government as you do, therefore you are a socialist, pure & simple, no matter what you say. I'll let others decide who the idiot is.

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Reply By: DaiwaPosted: Saturday, December 15, 2007

Without government and the systems and protections government provides Business COULD NOT OPERATE you IDIOT!!

Without business, asswipe, there would be no government.

Yes we NEED BOTH you IDIOT!

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Without business, asswipe, there would be no government. Business was in business long before there was government. You have become confused about what serves who, Gene - the government serves us, it does not enable us to do anything. At our request, it regulates certain things, but it enables nothing. Only a socialist views government as you do, therefore you are a socialist, pure & simple, no matter what you say. I'll let others decide who the idiot is.

OUR founding Fathers provided for things like the military, commerce, the treasury and the ability to levy taxes. I guess they were also socialists! YOU ARE A FOOL!

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business we would need to increase Income taxes even more!

business tax is a hidden income tax

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OUR founding Fathers provided for things like the military, commerce, the treasury and the ability to levy taxes. I guess they were also socialists! YOU ARE A FOOL!

then why do you want to kill commerce

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Island Dog

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OUR founding Fathers provided for things like the military, commerce, the treasury and the ability to levy taxes. I guess they were also socialists! YOU ARE A FOOL!

Once again when gene loses he results to the insults. Your problem is gene you want a welfare, nanny state where everyone should depend on the government for their every need, and the government should help them out with every aspect of their lives.

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Reply By: danielostPosted: Saturday, December 15, 2007

business we would need to increase Income taxes even more!

business tax is a hidden income tax

Does that mean you support higher income taxes if Business Taxes were reduced?

Reply By: danielostPosted: Saturday, December 15, 2007

OUR founding Fathers provided for things like the military, commerce, the treasury and the ability to levy taxes. I guess they were also socialists! YOU ARE A FOOL!

then why do you want to kill commerce

We are not killing Business we are killing the American Worker. Companies in their pursuit of higher and higher profits move operations to other countries and leave American workers with low paying service jobs and destroy our ability to make ANYTHING. The real question is do we allow companies do anything for higher profits even if what they are doing is destroying American Jobs and the manufacturing base in America? There needs to be a balance where we continue to make the essentials of our society and along with manufacture in other countries. We are allowing loop holes in our trade and tax policies to destroy the manufacture of products in this country which will be our downfall! No one dispute that companies need to make a profit. However is the quest to maximize profits justification for destroying American industry and the American worker? My answer to that is HELL NO. Bush and his policies have helped corporate profits at the expense of manufacturing in this country. We have doubled our trade deficit and countries like China who manipulates the value of their currency which makes the sale of American made products impossible. Allowing China to violate property rights. Allowing China to sell products that are dangerous in our Country MUST STOP. Bush has stood by as there things run ramped. Sending our Treasury Secretary to China has done nothing. Why IS Bush not looking to establish FAIR trade and to help protect American Jobs? Why is he not encouraging the manufacture of goods in America? Why is he not encouraging Americans to buy American made products?

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companies are moving to other countries because of the taxes, and the unions.

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Frogboy

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Senator Edwards is correct- Our government polices are being directed by Big Business to help their bottom line and is corrupting our politicians! We can not maintain economic strength with everything we need made outside this country. It endangers both our economic and strategic security.

I'll grant you this. Therefore, the best thing would be to decrease the power of the government so that big business doesn't have an incentive to corrupt the government. The best way to shrink government is to lower taxes and cut programs.

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We need to change our tax laws that allow companies to form these off shore shams to avoid U.S. taxes. We need to have trade policies that deal with currency manipulation and tariffs that are being added to our products. We need to offset subsidies that foreign governments give to foreign companies. We need to provide both incentives to create American manufacturing jobs and penalties for moving American Jobs to other countries

Exactly how would you change the tax law? Specifically what would you do?

Moreover, what do you think the net effect of a change in tax law? Let's say you increased taxes on every corporation in the US by say 50%. What do you think the effect would be?

Taxing companies is just taxing individuals but indirectly. It also makes US based companies less competitive in the world market.

Imagine a scenario where corporation income taxes were raised to being say 90% and that it was so full-proof that we were able to eliminate personal income taxes. What would be the effective result? The exact same as a sales tax since users of these products would have to pay for these taxs in the form of higher prices.

Liberals are usually the ones against a national sales tax but it's amazing how they'll favor the same thing if it's worded differently.

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Frogboy

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We are not killing Business we are killing the American Worker. Companies in their pursuit of higher and higher profits move operations to other countries and leave American workers with low paying service jobs and destroy our ability to make ANYTHING.

Who is "our"?

If I run a company, then my job is to maximize profits for my owners. Period. That's the whole point. Whatever legal method is available to me is what I should take to do just that.

If I can maximize profits by outsourcing all my workers to India, then that is what I should do. If I can build a factory in Mexico to save me money and still have the same product, then I would do so.

Why should a business manager care one way or the other about what nationality is working for them? I thought liberals were against racism. Are you suggesting we should discirminate against other people simply because they happened to have been born in a different arbitrarily defined location?

If Americans are losing jobs, then the question is, why? The most likely cause is that employing Americans or doing business in the United States is more expensive than employing workers in other countries or doing business in other countries.

What is the solution to that? Either to decrease the cost of doing business in the United States or to increase the cost of doing business in other countries which is not really possible.

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Reply By: danielostPosted: Saturday, December 15, 2007companies are moving to other countries because of the taxes, and the unions.

NO the principal reason is wages. They can pay as little as 1/20 the labor cost. You are as usual incorrect about business taxes. That is a reason but not the major reason -- It is their desire to maximize profits by reducing the number one cost to make MOST things-- LABOR! Not only are the labor rates lower, they have NO benefits in countries like China and they can use child and slave labor to further lower their overall labor costs! Then they set their currency exchange rates to further lower the cost relative to goods made in the U.S. Bush has IGNORED ALL OF THERE THINGS in his trade policy!

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Reply By: FrogboyPosted: Saturday, December 15, 2007

Senator Edwards is correct- Our government polices are being directed by Big Business to help their bottom line and is corrupting our politicians! We can not maintain economic strength with everything we need made outside this country. It endangers both our economic and strategic security.

I'll grant you this. Therefore, the best thing would be to decrease the power of the government so that big business doesn't have an incentive to corrupt the government. The best way to shrink government is to lower taxes and cut programs.

CUT WHAT PROGRAMS? AND BY HOW MUCH? Statements like you make are USELESS to find a solution to our budget problems!

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Reply By: FrogboyPosted: Saturday, December 15, 2007

We are not killing Business we are killing the American Worker. Companies in their pursuit of higher and higher profits move operations to other countries and leave American workers with low paying service jobs and destroy our ability to make ANYTHING.

Who is "our"?If I run a company, then my job is to maximize profits for my owners. Period. That's the whole point. Whatever legal method is available to me is what I should take to do just that.

That action is what is harming American Workers and will undermine this country by eliminating all manufacturing in this continues like it has been during the past 20 years! When everyone is left with service jobs paying $10-12 per hour, no one will be able to afford to live!

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