64-bit OS support » Forum Post by idontwantanickname

Multianna

Join Date 10/2006

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Im using Vista 64 bit, and Sins is working perfect

Your tried a reinstall?

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Blair Fraser

Join Date 10/2006

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We use both 32 bit and 64 bit xp and vista for development and we haven't received very many OS specific bug reports since beta 1 (back in March) but there is always the possiblity we missed something. If you can, compress your exe, dxdiag and any dumpfiles you have and send them to support@ironcladgames.com. We'll take a look at it asap. More detailed instructions are in the beta 4 faq thread.

Edit: Also, as Multi suggested, the majority of early crashes have been solved by reinstalling from Stardock Central.

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Yeah I just did a reinstall when I upgraded to vista from xp64 (no upgrade path there). Hm, I'll send that email shortly.

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I use Vista 64 also, my only problem is SoaSE using about 1GB of RAM when it could have 6GB+ if it wanted.

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Multianna

Join Date 10/2006

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I use Vista 64 also, my only problem is SoaSE using about 1GB of RAM when it could have 6GB+ if it wanted.

If the game don't need more then 1GB of RAM, it wont take more. Doesn't matter if you got 2GB or 100GB of RAM

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I have a 2.93 Ghz computer with 504MB RAM and a 128MB video card, the game lags and there's no cursor, do you think if I just update my video card the problem will be solved?? or do I need a faster CPU? if so what kind of video card do you guys recommend?

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If the game don't need more then 1GB of RAM, it wont take more. Doesn't matter if you got 2GB or 100GB of RAM

I think it probably needs more when displaying/tracking 20,000 ships but it ain't asking.

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I have a 2.93 Ghz computer with 504MB RAM and a 128MB video card, the game lags and there's no cursor, do you think if I just update my video card the problem will be solved??

No clue. That said, something is seriously screwy with the numbers your reporting. How do you have 504 MB's of RAM (not even close to a regular number), and telling us you have a 128MB video card tells us nothing of any real value. It doesn't even tell us if you have a real video card, or just an integrated chipset that doesn't work with most games these days.

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No clue. That said, something is seriously screwy with the numbers your reporting. How do you have 504 MB's of RAM (not even close to a regular number), and telling us you have a 128MB video card tells us nothing of any real value. It doesn't even tell us if you have a real video card, or just an integrated chipset that doesn't work with most games these days.

In my system information it says 504MB Ram, but on the tower it says 512MB so idk. but yeah the video card is intel express chipset family, and it doesn't work with most games....if you dont mind me asking whats your system info?

Thanks

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I have a 2.93 Ghz computer with 504MB RAM and a 128MB video card, the game lags and there's no cursor, do you think if I just update my video card the problem will be solved??

No clue. That said, something is seriously screwy with the numbers your reporting. How do you have 504 MB's of RAM (not even close to a regular number), and telling us you have a 128MB video card tells us nothing of any real value. It doesn't even tell us if you have a real video card, or just an integrated chipset that doesn't work with most games these days.

In my system information it says 504MB Ram, but on the tower it says 512MB so idk. but yeah the video card is intel express chipset family, and it doesn't work with most games....if you dont mind me asking whats your system info?

Thanks

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lol

A) learn to use the edit button

if its 512 RAM im going to guess a P2 or P3 processor
C) integrated chipsets suck
D) you are screwed unless you get a new compy

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if you dont mind me asking whats your system info?

I have an AMD Athlon 64x2 4600+ (clocked at 2.41GHz), 2GBs of RAM, and an Nvidia 8800GTX. In short, if I had a better processor my e-peen would be about two feet long

And, alas, Eet's pretty close to right. Its possible your processor is more recent than a P2 or P3, but the fact that you have an Intel integrated video chip, and don't know the difference between that and a real card, suggests (and only suggests!) to me that you have a pre-built computer of some kind, and most of the pre-built companies (HP, Dell, etc etc) don't allow you to add a video card after the fact -- they actually remove the slot required

That said, if you want me to look at it send me your DXDiag and I'll see if I can dig up any information on what upgrades you might get. Better yet, go to OT, make your own thread and post your DXDiag and make / model of your computer so everyone can chip in.

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512MB could make it anything newer than or a P2. I had a P4 about 4-5 years ago that could have up to 2 gigs, but was sent (prebuilt) with 256. XP only actually needs 32MB of RAM to run (or was it 64? I think 32).

Ron, that's not true about the removal of the slot. Those slots (AGP/PCIe) aren't required to have a video card, for my computer is proof of that. Video cards originally worked with just your standard PCI slots. They still make cards for your basic PCI slots today actually. They are kind of rare now, but most big computer stores still sell them.

As for his odd RAM number, most video cards use 2MB of RAM by default. Since the video card uses it, the OS doesn't count it. It's impossible (as far as I know) to change that. Intel Extreme Graphics Chipset if I remember correctly, shares 8MB as a basic, and can "borrow" atleast 128 MB of your comp's RAM.

All in all, if your willing to pay for the upgrade, there is hope for you yet Ironheart.

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That said, if you want me to look at it send me your DXDiag and I'll see if I can dig up any information on what upgrades you might get. Better yet, go to OT, make your own thread and post your DXDiag and make / model of your computer so everyone can chip in.

I sent you my dxdiag via a private message Thanks again Ron! :]

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All in all, if your willing to pay for the upgrade, there is hope for you yet Ironheart.

I am willing this game looks awsome!

Thanks

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psychoak

Join Date 07/2007

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After SP2, xp will crash programs with 256. You could almost get away with it before SP2 as long as you didn't do something stressful, like run outlook while browsing with an anti-virus on. Using 128 was suicide.

Using a pci video card to run sins isn't going to go well either. You're getting either a radeon x1550 or a geforce 6200 unless someone has come out with a new one. Those are the biggest and baddest outside of developer cards that cost four times as much and perform even worse for games. Better than an intel integrated card, but not a payed upgrade for sins, odds are it still wouldn't run well, if at all.

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I had no trouble whatsoever with XP and my last computer. P4 @ 2.13 Ghz with 256Mb RAM and a Geforce 4 MX. Not the greatest I'll admit, but it worked.

A PCI video card (around 140 dollars for X1550 with 256Mb Ram) is definetly cheaper than a brand new gaming computer (minimum of 500 for a usable prebuilt one, just for tower). As for whether Sins would work, I wouldn't know... haven't played yet and pre-ordering to play beta is kind of pointless with my internet connection. More than likely it would work with an X1550. Heck, I could probably get it to work on my Radeon 9250*.

What are the recommended reqs for the betas anyways?

* = I've got one of the higher end 9250s... Kinda old, but packs 256MB RAM. Same amount the PCI X1550 has actually.

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You could almost get away with it before SP2 as long as you didn't do something stressful, like run outlook while browsing with an anti-virus on. Using 128 was suicide.

so no running sins while watching a movie and talking on IRC, MSN, and AIM while doing a full virus scan and looking at the forums and talking to people on steam?

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Ron, that's not true about the removal of the slot. Those slots (AGP/PCIe) aren't required to have a video card, for my computer is proof of that. Video cards originally worked with just your standard PCI slots. They still make cards for your basic PCI slots today actually. They are kind of rare now, but most big computer stores still sell them.

True: AGP / PCI-E slots are required for decent video cards. The 6200 is a piece of utter crap, and while I don't have any personal experience with the x1550, I doubt its very good either. (Can hardly be worse than the 6200 series... but I doubt its all that much better).

As for his odd RAM number, most video cards use 2MB of RAM by default. Since the video card uses it, the OS doesn't count it. It's impossible (as far as I know) to change that. Intel Extreme Graphics Chipset if I remember correctly, shares 8MB as a basic, and can "borrow" atleast 128 MB of your comp's RAM.

Yeah, I always forget about that. Thing is, I could have sworn that it just swipes the 128 right "off the top" during bootup, never leaving it available for the OS... Or maybe that was just the one time.

so no running sins while watching a movie and talking on IRC, MSN, and AIM while doing a full virus scan and looking at the forums and talking to people on steam?
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Not unless your like me with lots and LOTS of extra memory

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kryo

Join Date 05/2003

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Yeah, I always forget about that. Thing is, I could have sworn that it just swipes the 128 right "off the top" during bootup, never leaving it available for the OS... Or maybe that was just the one time.

It will, *if* it's set to use that much. The amount of RAM used by onboard video is generally configurable in BIOS. Whatever amount the video consumes will indeed be completely missing as far as Windows cares (Set video to 128 if you have 512 total, and Windows will say you have 384).

In any case, I'd personally strongly recommend against buying a PCI video card. There's just no point--the machine it's going into is likely pretty aged to begin with, and any modern PCI video cards are either very poor performers to begin with, or have their performance severely limited by the narrow bus available to them. A new machine altogether is a far better investment.

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In any case, I'd personally strongly recommend against buying a PCI video card. There's just no point--the machine it's going into is likely pretty aged to begin with, and any modern PCI video cards are either very poor performers to begin with, or have their performance severely limited by the narrow bus available to them. A new machine altogether is a far better investment.

Hence why I italicized "decent"

I'm in perfect agreement with you on that one. Its a temporary work-around until you can afford a decent system, at best.

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