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Random planet allocation , bad on some maps?

October 26, 2007 4:39:08 AM from Sins of a Solar Empire ForumsSins of a Solar Empire Forums
Im kinda not too sure about the randomisation of planets on some fixed scenario maps.

A map like Kharak Cross , has the 3 planets near the sun randomised between Artic/Volcano/Terran/Desert . I think this is okay because whatever the planets are , its still fair for all 4 players as they are equally contested.

However there are some fixed scenario maps where the randomised planet is just going to be colonised by one team , so its unfair if one team gets a terran on one and the other team gets a desert on their respective planet.

I think that on some fixed maps , the closest planets should be randomised but equal for both or four players. So forexample , in one game the planet to the right is a volcano for me , and its the same for the other player , then in another game it will be terran , but it will also be terran for the other player. Any planet that is further away and contested can be randomised to whatever.





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Reply #1 October 26, 2007 10:48:27 AM
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However there are some fixed scenario maps where the randomised planet is just going to be colonised by one team , so its unfair if one team gets a terran on one and the other team gets a desert on their respective planet.


How is that unfair? Sure, the terran planet has superior population, or cashflow, but the desert planet gets a lot more logistics to play with -- which can be turned into trade centers, or research, or refineries, or a lot of shipyards.
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Reply #2 October 26, 2007 11:52:42 AM
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its Unfair its just not neccesarily disadvantageous. There is a difference, allbeit Very Very slight.

It really doesn't matter, the Scenarios ive played so far play just fine. Not to mention I don't think scenarios need neccessarily be 'Fair' you dont like it, dont play it
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Reply #3 October 26, 2007 1:17:54 PM
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Scenarios are usually just that, scenarios that have a point. If you want to complain about unfair planet positioning, check Gateway Only 1 planet connecting to the star, leaving the second system free to whichever team controls Gateway.

If you make Scenarios perfectly 'balanced', they won't be scenarios anymore and may as well just be random maps. I'm all for random maps being more or less symmetrical as far as planet types go (though completely symmetrical isn't always fun), but leave scenarios as they are
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Reply #4 October 26, 2007 2:35:07 PM
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likewise, random maps should be more or less symmetrical, but scenarios may well have a few differences to make things more interesting. and as the others pointed out, every planet has a speciality, so differing setting just requires you to adapt your strategy and work with what you have. you see, whether a planet is better or worse really depends on the situation, so the grand plan is to create a situation, where that specific advantage you have can be well exploited. learned that lesson once the rather hard way.
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Reply #5 October 26, 2007 6:51:07 PM
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Only 1 planet connecting to the star, leaving the second system free to whichever team controls Gateway.


Thats the entire point of the map... and hardly unfair.
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Reply #6 October 26, 2007 6:55:04 PM
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That was the point I was trying to make, Ron Re-read my post, I'm saying the design of scenarios is just fine as is because there's a point to them, unlike random maps.
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Reply #7 October 26, 2007 9:34:39 PM
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if you can attain Xi you can hold a defense against anything but a pretty major assault. problem being that you most CERTAINLY CANNOT make an effective assault whatsoever if someone has not just gateway, but the three planets surrounding it. then you're as fed as fing fed can fing get.
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Reply #8 October 26, 2007 10:42:28 PM
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Oh definetly bad.

In my most recent game I had only two volcs and a gast cloud near me while others had all terrans.

I think that the maps should at least make some sense in possition relative to the sun.

Close planets to the sun would be volcanic, while planets in the middle to end would be terran and planets at the very end would be ice.
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Reply #9 October 27, 2007 1:16:30 AM
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Close planets to the sun would be volcanic, while planets in the middle to end would be terran and planets at the very end would be ice.


Except the devs have already stated that that isn't going to happen -- makes the maps too predictable.
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Reply #10 October 27, 2007 12:05:21 PM
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oh emp, dont sell your advantages short!
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