Actually, cityguy, YOU would be the racist, because NOT ONCE, in the article, or ANY of my replies, did I mention the RACE of the people I was complaining about. YOU assumed they were black; what does that say about YOU?

For the record, cityguy, the people who inspired this article, at least, were NOT black. My anime watching coworkers are NOT minorities. The ONE coworker in the tech department that consistently DOES her job, is actually a minority. So that shoots your theory down, and it shoots it down cold.

Don't EVER fucking come on my thread and accuse me of racism when you don't have the material to back it up! Got it?

Where I grew up, there were many poor people on welfare, BUT NO ONE WANTED TO BE.

Actually, I've seen people turn down fairly lucrative jobs because they'd rather draw welfare. But I suppose you'll call me racist for saying that, even though I've seen people of all races with this trait!

I describe crappy customer service, and cityguy automatically sees a black person and uses it to assume that I am racist. Why did he automatically see a black person, is my question.

Hey Gid, you are totally right. I attributed a comment to you that was not yours. I apologize, will you accept that from me. For the record, I didn't call you a racist, I asked you what you were.

It was actually LWs comment. I meant no ill from it. I didn't think you would go four letter word on me. Even directing that at LW, I may not agree with her, but have nothing but respect from her. Sorry this offended you.

Apology accepted.



Well, you need to see things from my perspective, cityguy. It is actually quite annoying when allegations of racism are strewn about everytime criticism of the welfare state is lodged. This inherently would seem to imply that welfare is viewed even by the liberal camp, as being a program for minorities.

You're right when you say that worthless bum-ism would be as prevalant among whites as among other races. But until we seriously ask ourselves WHY we're not going to make any progress in eradicating it.

I believe part of the answer can be seen in history. When welfare (relief) was first implemented, it included government work programs that helped people get back on their feet. Yes, it was imperfect, yes, a lot of graft and corruption was endemic (and there's plenty in our current welfare system, believe me!), but it was an attempt to deal with a very dire time in American history.

When the sense of entitlement began, under the Great Society, is when I believe it started to go downhill. The whole idea of getting something for nothing had a lot of appeal, and even though the government has taken strides in the last dozen years to reduce that, there still are a million ways to exploit the rules.

In continuing on this discussion, let's realize that when I'm talking about the problems with welfare, the problems I'm describing have nothing whatsoever, in my opinion, to do with race. As for others on this thread, well, I can't speak for them.