When ever Christ refers to GOD, he always says god my father. A person would never refer to himself as his own father. Christ's main mission was not the forgiveness of your sins. It was the removal of the sin of the fall of adam and eve.
Actually, he never says "god my father" either, he just says "my father." And there is some agreement that the father and the son are separate. However, it is also believed they share some unity as well - John 10:38 refers to this unity, and the verses I gave (John 1:1-14) are very clear. What you are referring to is one part of what we call the "trinity."
remember if adam and eve had not fallen they would not have been able to have children.
Interesting assertion. Where does it say that adam and eve could not have children before the fall?
If this post becomes nothing more than a contest of trying to show whos memory is best, then I'm leaving. For those who are not thinking, please try to think. Its not any fun to read stuff that isn't original. I do think that debating this subject was the objective of this post.
Heh, I'll be the first to admit I have a poor memory. I have to look up most of my Bible verses on an online Bible, or with my physical Bible. Yes, I think about this stuff.
But there are things that don't make sense without reincarnation such as, Jesus cures the man of blindness.His disciples ask Him,Master who sinned that this man was born blind,him or his parents?
It was a common belief at the time that punishment of sins could extend for a generation or more. It had more to do with culture and tradition (and perhaps a reading of Exodus 20:5-6) than with reincarnation.
In addition,
Tektonics and the
Christian Thinktank have some articles on reincarnation that may be of some interest.
Now unless your going to try to prove that you can commit a sin in the womb where you cannot exercise free will and cannot act, why would the question come up?
The idea that sin extends into the womb is not actually as unusual as it sounds. Many types of Christianity teach that being sinful is more than just committing wrongs: It's in our nature as well. And that nature extends all the way into the womb.
It would be obvious whos sin it was unless the disciples bieleved in reincarnation and they were asking was it a sin in this life or another?
There's no claim that the disciples were perfect in their beliefs - in fact, this is one instance where they are clearly mistaken!
Perhaps you should try reading the rest of the passage (John 9:3):
Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him.
Whoops! It appears their beliefs were wrong to begin with! Amazing what reading the context can teach you.
The writings of Origin of Alexandria whichtalked of reincarnation were removed from the Bible.
Well, you can't just throw random stuff into the Bible and say it's the word of God - there are a lot of false and contradictory teachings out there - there has to be some sort of process by which the books are determined, and the writings you mention probably didn't meet the criteria.
There is a significant difference between "I think something is so because..." and "I'm right, and you're wrong if you disagree...".
I try my best to back up my reasoning whenever possible, with sources and/or logic. Should you feel that I have failed to back up my reasoning properly at any time, feel free to inform me of my failure to sufficiently back up my reasoning, and I will endeavor to correct my mistakes.
Come to think of it, there are a lot of Religious posts appearing here. Never seen this many on any forum (even this one) before.
Oh, this is nothing
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TheologyWeb forums.
