hey terp maybe you could post a couple links to sites where this info came from huh?

Although I believe it is very possible for the far left loons to come up with thoughts like this  I would like to see some proof before condemning them {again}

Not that I would waste my time there, but....

Sean - you have to be kidding me that I wouldn't find some knucklehead on DU, or other sites that almost immediately jumped to the conclusion that the events of the last 24 hours were instigated by the leaders of the U.S., under orders from Bush/Cheney.

It takes almost no time for these thoughts to be voiced in some places, and certainly some on the left have been waaaaaaaayyyyy out there when it comes to conspiracy theories.

Call my comments a pre-emptive strike if you want, but someone has to call b.s. on these invalid claims before they gain even a tiny bit of credence and are picked up and carried off by someone that just so happened to have a camera in front of them and was paid for generating controversy.

In case you can't figure out who that last line is talking about, google Rosie O'Donnell and check out her ugly mug as she spouted out her venom.

Gideon MacLeish said:

This is just way toooooo easy.  Thanks for the link Gid.  I just can't bring myself to even think of searching DU for any content.

When a preventable attack happens in this country (the U.S.A.) and the lack of cameras and other monitoring are pointed at as a big part of the reason such an attack happened, will you be singing the same tune?

The people we have tasked with protecting our safety are the same people that many would fault for failing to take adequate measures when such an attack occurs.  You cry about the stomping of freedoms and the use of warrentless searches but would be screaming bloody murder if someone you loved, or you, suffered because the scum that wants to do this country (and the citizens of same) harm was able to do just that.

The scum that is rotting away at Git-mo is just that.  Not wanted by their own countries in many cases, and ready to just re-join the fight and cause more trouble if they are released in most cases.  Given the opportunity they'd kill plenty of innocent individuals and not shed a tear for any.  Should I feel sorry for them and the lack of rights they currently have?  Hell no.  The rights they have now are more than the rights that they'd have if they were to get their way and were able to institute hardlined fundamentalist Islamic governance throughout the world.  They are certainly more well cared for, with 3 hots and a cot, or whatever their current feeding and sleeping arrangements are.

The scum at A.G. (Abu...) that we were supposed to get all upset about?  Thanks but no thanks.  That treatment was nothing compared to what should have happened to many of those vermin.  Instead of worrying about showing images like that, we should have made many more images like that and made it perfectly clear that it was only the tip of the treatment that such wanna be terrorists and trouble makers would see.  Instead we backed off and apologized and said we don't support such behavior and our enemies saw us as the weaklings that we are because of that.

The people who wish to do us harm understand iron fists and not much else.  We should use virtually any and all measures to snuff them out permanently or at least to make them completely impotent so they can not cause any harm to anyone except perhaps themselves if they wish to make use of some rope and a high point to swing from.

That is what needs to happen and what I think of comments like those quoted directly above.

What rights to trial did these scum offer the people they were shooting at on the battle fields?

Or, for that matter, what rights to trial would these people offer us under their form of government?

Why must we grant rights to people that wouldn't grant them to us or to any others?

Sorry, you are welcome to disagree with me, but I still think that when you are fighting the kinds of people we are fighting, you don't do so with your hands tied behind your back.  You do whatever it takes to take the fight outta your enemy and leave them unable to and unwilling to ever fight on the subject again.  Failing to do so just postpones the inevitable and lets them go back to make war another day.  Make war without restrictions, without worries about looking like they are bad and evil or that their actions are despicable.

It most certainly doesn't go against everything *we* believe.  It goes against what many believe, and what they want to believe, but it doesn't go against what we all believe as I (and I would suspect many others) believe that we have fought enough, sacrificed enough, and shed enough blood in fights against people that show no sign of giving up.

I want them to see the futility of their actions and I'll take just about any opportunity to hasten their defeat, whether it comes from embarrassing them, humiliating them, segregating them, or killing them.  Anything less than that is just an invitation to spend much more money on feel good measures in the name of personal safety, or to spend much, much more money and shed much more blood to continue a fight that can't be won (... when using the rules that some would impose upon our troops and military leaders).

That is just it Gid.  These people are at best Prisoners of War, and thus NOT subject to our laws per the Geneva Convention.  at worse they are Enemy Combatants, and thus acording to the Geneva Convention, subject to be shot with again no Adjudication from our laws.  To Subject either group to our laws is a violation of not only International law, but of the GC.

You dont like they sit there in limbo for years on end.  The truth is, most other countries would have shot them as spies already.  And done so legally and with no legal outrage from any other nation. (Moral, yes, unless that country was doing business with the leader of the dictatorship).