Reply By: Sean Conners aka SConn1Posted: Sunday, June 10, 2007 sorry mm,,,with few exceptions, most of those were drafted.

Ok most were but some enlisted that did not have too, I think I should have added your name to the antiAmerican list along with sean penn, MY GOD Sean you really are starting to get on my last nerve with your constant rhetoric and apoligist attitudes, I think we should just stay out of each others blogs from now on.

You see a list of Bronze star and purple heart winners and all you can say is... "there was a draft" for shame sean.

no, i'm saying the eras aren't as parallel as you are painting them and a lot of other factors play into that. simply put, all factors aren't even close to being equal, so the comparison is invalid. that doesn't diminish the service of the folks you mentioned, but the context is important if a comparisson is going to be made. you also ignored the point about the difference between celebrity then and now. you also ignored the fact that many of these guys weren't celebrities when they served. make this list in 50 years and we'll see how they compare.

i'm not gonna go thru the whole list by any means, but your 1st example, don adams, didn't even appear on tv until 1954.

eddie albert really didn't become a star until after the war. his work before the war was on radio and broadway.

charles bronson took up acting after the war based on his roomate, jack klugman's advice and didn't even start acting till the 50's.

and that story repeats over and over on your list.

outside of clark gable and maybe a few others, most of those actors are famous today, but weren't then. and the ones that were didn't get nearly as much exposure, and especially international exposure as even C-list celebrities get today.

television wasn't even really in full swing at the end of WWII, let alone before it. and we came into the "golden age of movies" after the war. simply apples and oranges to compare the eras and people.

imagine if a big celeb went and served in uniform over there. imagine the danger they could put everyone else in just because of who they are. the british telling the prince that he couldn't go with his platoon was an example of folks realizing that.

if you don't want me posting on here fine. but at least have a valid reason. don't just call me "anti-american" and then expect no repsonse. that's utter b.s.

calling me or anyone else, a person who loves my country, anti-american, just because i disagree with you on issues, is about as anti american as one can get.

i'm hopin you woke up grumpy again.

Pat Tilman. Not Hollywood, but his name belongs with them.

I think the point I was making was the Hollywood of old was filled with patriots, the new Hollywood is filled with anti-American pigs, but somehow that seems lost on some apologists.

good doc, cause that was the only point I was making. then and now.

I agree with you. Sadly I see many very coveted word definitions such as Patriotism being changed (or at least attempted).

Reply By: Adventure-DudePosted: Monday, June 11, 2007

sadly to some, today's "patriot", spits on the Flag, embraces Dictators like Hugo Chavez and Fidel Castro, Demeans the Presidency, Trashes the Country. Blames America for all the worlds woes. Holds up organizations like the U.N. as something to admire and we should be like them. Thinks Europe Secularism is the wave of the future for Americans.

I got your point...5X5...the defense that many became celebrities after their service doesn't change the fact that not many of the celebrities we see today served at all before becoming "famous". Many of the famous in the 40s volunteered their services once the war started...even many who were too old to "join up".

The America First Committee was the foremost pressure group against American entry into the Second World War.

AFC was established September, 4, 1940 by Yale law student R. Douglas Stuart, Jr., along with other students including future President Gerald Ford, Sargent Shriver and future Supreme Court justice Potter Stewart. At its peak, America First may have had 800,000 members in 650 chapters, located mostly in a 300 mile radius of Chicago. It claimed 135,000 members in 60 chapters in Illinois, its strongest state. [Schneider 198] Few Southern chapters existed. Fundraising drives produced about $370,000 from some 25,000 contributors. Nearly half came from a few millionaires such as William H. Regnery, H. Smith Richardson of the Vick Chemical Company, General Wood, publisher Joseph M. Patterson (New York Daily News) and his cousin publisher Robert R. McCormick (Chicago Tribune). It was never able to get funding for its own public opinion poll. The New York chapter received slightly more than $190,000, most of it from its 47,000 contributors. Since it never had a national membership form or national dues, and local chapters were quite autonomous, historians suggest the leaders had no idea how many "members" it had. [Cole 1953, 25-33; Schneider 201-2]

Serious organizing of the America First Committee took place in Chicago not long after the September 1940 establishment. Chicago was to remain the national headquarters of the committee. To preside over their committee, America First chose General Robert E. Wood, the 61 year-old chairman of Sears, Roebuck and Co.. While Wood would accept only an interim position, he remained at the head of the committee until it was disbanded in the days after Pearl Harbor.

The America First Committee had its share of prominent businessmen as well as the sympathies of political figures like Senator Burton K. Wheeler, Senator Gerald P. Nye, and Socialist Party leader Norman Thomas, with its most prominent spokesman being Charles A. Lindbergh.

Other celebrities supporting America First were novelist Sinclair Lewis, poet E. E. Cummings, author Gore Vidal (as a student at Phillips Exeter Academy), Alice Roosevelt Longworth, film producer Walt Disney and actress Lillian Gish. Architect Frank Lloyd Wright attempted to join, but the board thought he had a "reputation for immorality".

my apologies...this will be my last post / read of your stuff. i thought maybe ya "woke up grumpy" again..guess not.

have a nice day, and i wish only the best to you and yours.

have a nice day, and i wish only the best to you and yours.

Reply By: Sean Conners aka SConn1Posted: Tuesday, June 12, 2007

As I to you, your wife, children and the newest addition to the conners clan.

If it was up to todays Hollywood we qwould all be speaking Spanish and Castro and Chavez would be ruling the country.