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Poverty, An economic necessity?

DodgyDude

Join Date 03/2006

Poverty, An economic necessity?

It seems to me that some people believe that poverty is something to be despised, crushed and exploited.

The attitude some have is, If you're too poor, uneducated or lacking in social graces then all you deserve is exploitation for the good of wealth generation.

It has been said that all capitalism needs to work is the ever increasing accumulation of wealth, and if that wealth has to be gained from the poor then, why not?

I think that this is a totally self centered way of thinking. we all need to give our fellow "man" a living,
We are all guilty, we like our goods at low prices. But surely the people that manufacture our £100/$200 pair of trainers can afford to pay their workers more than £30 per month. I guess the capitalist will disagree, but there likely to disagree with any sort of social care and free health also. it costs money,

"How can one become a billionaire if we just gave money away?"

If you do think that the right to health is only for those that can "pay to live" then I suggest you bury a few rotting corpses that are found in the poorest neighborhood's. those who die for a few "bucks" maybe this will make you understand the poverty you find so repulsive. and maybe you would think more about those you leave to die.

Health is just one of the social reasons we need to look after everyone, but i consider it the most essential.

Call me a bleeding heart, but if you do, then your exactly who I'm commenting about.

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Mystikmind

Join Date 06/2004

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Welfare is a complicated issue.... I think welfare has many benefits,,, but mainly, it allows for an available workforce to be ready and on standby for employers. If businesses do not have much of a talent pool to work with, then the economy suffers.

Welfare reduces crime,,,, but since welfare has many conditions that cut so many people off, well this crime reducing effect is significantly crippled as a result. Thats ok tho, because the welfare they didn't qualify for while they were on the street, we will end up paying plus 50% for them to be in jail! so is it really smart to be stingy and all conditional with welfare with that in mind??

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agriculture, or cleaning, construction, etc. Just wanted to point out that these jobs are the backbone of a good economy. To think of them as lesser jobs that people should strive to escape from doesn't seem wise to me. If we had no construction workers or farmers what would the world be like? Do you only need a contractor to build a house? Do you only need a landowner to feed a country? I also don't think the tax burden issue is really being considered correctly either. If I make 8 billion dollars a year I am making much more than I need and the impact of 35% of my income is much less on my lifestyle than if I make 10 thousand and pay 35% of my income. If I make 10k that 35% is the ability to by gas for my car pay my bills buy groceries and afford medical care. If I make 8 billion it really just affects how many business I can buy and how much I can make off interest next year.

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agriculture, or cleaning, construction, etc. Just wanted to point out that these jobs are the backbone of a good economy

the U.S. economy was at its peak in the 50s or 60s, and the backbone then was manufacturing jobs. it was a relatively unskilled form of labor that anyone could do. Michael Moore's Flint, MI, it one such town that'd built itself up on manufacturing back then. the wages you could earn from one of these jobs in the mid century was enough to buy a house, and social security was enough for retirement years.

no doubt that lower-skilled labor is the backbone of most economies, but it's a sign of our economy's health that it's increadibly hard, if not impossible, to buy a house now on the wages from a job in agriculture or service. if you climb to management, yes, but being management wasn't necessary before. serive labor is the new bread and butter of the U.S. economy, but it doesn't do a good job feeding most of its workers.

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Well you are always going to have "poor" people, because people measure their wellbeing relatively, not absolutely. Poor people from the U.S. probably still have top 20 or 25% standard of living all time easily. Not that I am saying that means we shoudl try to reduce the disparity, I think that would be good for society and make everyone happier honestly. But, just getting them more stuff isn't going to help unless the rich also have comparatively less stuff. Such is human nature.

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Im absolutely certain you've never even met a poor American , but i bet you've driven through their neighbourhood once or twice.

20 to 25 percent. get your head out your ass and stop pretending everyones as wealthy as you and your rich mates fool.

even if they are, how much do you think it costs to live in poor town America.

Please take time to look at the world that makes your goods and food.

DON'T GUESS LOOK

HEAD OUT OF ASS AND LOOK.

Please, it might shock you. some people live on 25 cents a day not ones or twos, millions are maybe twice as rich as that. is $50 a month poverty
or is it less?

Marcus

PS yes I'm flaking angry

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I am so pissed off with the stupidity of some posters
I need to insist,
PLEASE, PRETTY FREAKING PLEASE

search these on Google, before you get all pompous about the poor.

Poverty,
Economic slavery.
child slavery.
Third world debt.

I would hope that you are intelligent enough to think of others.
maybe find more important links, maybe even help out a little

I'll take a bet that even the most pig headed can change

If after that you then find an excuse to bleat about how hard it is in your western sanctuary.
I will surely bite your over sized balls off.

Just one

leave you still enough to breed some sense into your children.

Marcus

PS this aint personal this is to every pompous tool on here

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If after that you then find an excuse to bleat about how hard it is in your western sanctuary.

No bleating here! I prefer to Howl how good it is here.

But it is no sanctuary... even our "good" life here can crumble.

I d rather find ways to work WITH people who have less than I do. If I always just give them things most of them will just come to expect it.

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If by poverty you mean having a portion of your population lacking healthcare, adequate nutrition, education, transport, clothing, access to communication and access to the natural environment... then very definitely no.

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f by poverty you mean having a portion of your population lacking healthcare, adequate nutrition, education, transport, clothing, access to communication and access to the natural environment... then very definitely no.

I think there are lots of people in our western countries haven't got any of those.
even a bus fair food out of the children's mouths for some,

It is easy for me and you to ignore.
you are surely ignorant,
this happens in your country, do you dare deny it is worse in others.

I suggest you look before you just accept that everyone is fine.

I pity you, this attitude is pathetic. for Christs sake just do some research.
It wont take long, I give up.

Marcus

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In my city, the largest in city in my state, along the Mason Dixon line, we have an overcrowding of our homeless shelter. They are not drug, addicts or alchoholic bums they are mostly single women with children and these shelters are so crowded and underfunded they are having to turn them away. Most of them did nothing wrong unless perhaps you see having a man leave them and their children as their fault. Some have college degrees or are trying to obtain one but because of their children they have found themselves deeply in debt and without anyone to turn to for assistance. Go find your local homeless shelter and look around at what kind of people are there, you might be surprised. There are many more people where I live who are not homeless but are lacking a number of the things you listed. They do not have transportation that is reliable, they do not have healthcare and they are living on a wage that is putting them deeper in debt and starving them so their kids can eat. They beg and borrow from everyone they know until they have no where else to go. If you are an adult with children take a minute and think about how many unexpected expenses it would take for you to become homeless. Crippling car accident? You and your spouse get fired at the same time? House burn down?

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