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America has LIED to its Military

I served 30 years as a member of first the Regular Army and then the Army Reserve. I met some of the most dedicated people in my life in the military. Almost to a person they accepted the tasks given them even when those tasks caused great hardship to them and their families. From everything I have read and scene on TV today, our military has never been more committed to protecting our great country.

That is what makes what we have done to them so hard to accept. We sent them into combat believing that their sacrifice was to:

Protect us from what they were told was a danger to our homeland from Iraq.

They were told their service in fighting the Iraq War would make America safer.

We told them we would take care of them if they were injured.

The horrible truth is we LIED. Anyone that supports Bush and Cheney has lied to them just like our two top leaders have done. Saddam was no danger to America and Bush had the intelligence and Pentagon estimate that showed he WAS NO DANGER to our country in 2002. The bottom line is that after over four years of fighting the efforts of our military has not made America safer but less safe. That is not because they did not perform admirably but because the mission they were sent on by Bush was one that was WRONG from the beginning and Bush was warned that attacking Iraq would create the horrible situation we see today. Bush failed to listen to the military planners as to the troop levels needed to secure Iraq and most of our dead and wounded are because Bush did not send the required manpower to secure Iraq and prevent the needless bloodshed we see every day in that Hell Hole! When our wounded return we fail to provide decent medical facilities like we say at Walter Reed and a VA system that is NOT capable of providing the long term services needed by our veterans.

George W. Bush and Dick Cheney have a lot on nerve appearing before the brave members of our military after the way they LIED to them as to WHY we attacked Iraq. They should be ashamed after the way they BOTH failed to serve their country during Vietnam.

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You lie as a matter of course. You are a political hack.

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bill clinton

is the lier

he stated throughout his stay in office that he wouldn't use the military

he used the military more than any other pres. since ww2

he sent troops into combat zones unarmed

he said we were sorry when the cole was attacked

he attacked an aspiren factory

he made sure there wasn't enough flu shoots for this country

he had sex with that girl

he lied in court

HE LIED

his actions led to the 9/11 attack

an attack of that scale and planning required more than 8 months of planning and exicution

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No Bush and Cheney LIED and are responsible for the deaths of thousands of Americans to fight a war that was not justified and has not made America safer. He made the military believe they were helping make us safer and just the opposite is the result of our invasion of Iraq. We have MORE enemies that would be willing to attack us again because of our invasion of Iraq.

What ever lies Clinton told did not result in the death of our troops like the lies Bush and Cheney told!!!

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there are 10,000 reasons for the invasion of iraq and removal of sodom

that is the 10,000 babies that he used and killed for weapons testing

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What ever lies Clinton told did not result in the death of our troops like the lies Bush and Cheney told!!!

black hawk down the cole the embasies

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There are 10,000 reasons for the invasion of Iraq and removal of Saddam

That is the 10,000 babies that he used and killed for weapons testing

None of them endangered this country and were not the reason Bush gave for invading Iraq. As I said HE LIED!

black hawk down the cole the embasies Clinton did not cause any of them no more then Bush caused 9/11.

However invading a country that posed no danger to our country and causing millions more enemies for our country is what Bush accomplished! Not sending the troops needed to prevent the Civil War that is taking place in Iraq today are the fault of Bush! That is caused almost ALL the dead and injured we have sustained in this WAR. All after “MISSION ACCOMPLISHED”

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of course clinton coused them by backing down and sending that black hawk in unarmed

we did not know about the concentration camps during world war 2 until we found the first one

A CIVIL WAR IS where two factions are trying to control the country

these two factions are just killing each other that makes them street gangs nothing better than that

i am sorry but since all muslims are enemies of the united states. i don't see how we could have made millions of more enemies in the middle east

there were 10s of thousands killed in one day at the battle of d-day
there were 100s killed at iwo jima

so your saying that those battles were lost right

how stupid can you be to only look at the number of died to decide if a battle has been won or lost

sadom had the same problem with the sunni and shia that we are having but he controled the press releases

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What ever lies Clinton told did not result in the death of our troops like the lies Bush and Cheney told!!!

That's BS and you KNOW it!

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MasonM

Take your own advice and stop beating a dead horse. What I posted in this Blog is true even though you and others on this Blog Sight do not want to admit the truth!

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drmiler

Show us what lies that Clinton told killed Americans.

The lies that Bush and Cheney told us about the danger posed by Saddam and his refusal to send the troops required to establish and maintain control in Iraq have KILLED over 3,000 troops and injured over 25,000 more! That is NOT BS it is the TRUTH.

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danielost

"We did not know about the concentration camps during world war 2 until we found the first one"

Although that has nothing to due with Iraq, documents have been released that show the U.S. was aware of the death camps during the WWII.

"I am sorry but since all Muslims are enemies of the United States. I don't see how we could have made millions of more enemies in the Middle East”

Better read our NIE. It says that the invasion of Iraq has enabled the radical Moslem factions to recruit many more people to the ranks of those that will do things like 9/11. Not all Moslems HATE the U.S. like those that caused 9/11. Our invasion and occupation of Iraq is causing the numbers that HATE us to increase and thus make us less safe. That is the conclusion of the 16 intelligence agencies of this country. We also see the radical Moslem groups operating in multiple locations. That is why the Bush argument that is we leave Iraq with al Qaeda in place puts us in danger. They are operating in Iraq with us in place with 160,000 troops. Even if we could eliminate the cells from operating in Iraq we still have multiple groups operating in other countries that could plan another 9/11 or worse. We are in the middle of a Civil War that developed BECAUSE we invaded Iraq, deposed Saddam and failed to send enough troops to prevent the factions from organizing and fighting for control of Iraq. The foreign elements are trying to make the fighting among the internal factions worse but the VAST majority of the fighting is between the three factions that each want control of Iraq. That is a Civil War no matter what Bush and Cheney claim!

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you had better reread everything again

the muslim hates everyone that is not muslim

the muslim is directed by his/her religion to either convert or kill everyone that is not muslim

also if you do not believe exactly like him/her then they are to kill you too

there are only two factions fighting in iraq sunni and shia the kurds are not involved

THEY ARE NOT TRYING TO TAKE CONTROL OF IRAQ THEY ARE ONLY TRYING TO KILL EACH OTHER

even our liberal press cannot lie that one away

our biggest threat right now is iran

they seem to be suppling weapons to al quida and the taliban

al quida in iraq are targeting the usa and not iraqies

the taliban in afghan. are targeting the usa and not afghans.

the sunni and the shia are targeting each other and not the usa

and i just read that the democrats in this country are now going to start blaming guilina the mayor of new york on 9/11 for that attack

there are no radical muslim groups or all muslims are radical take your pick

and i don't mean every individual i am sure that some are muslim in name only just like some christians are only christians in name only

al quida and iran are the threats to the usa right now

i will make it clear to you democrats and liberals and bush bashiers

THERE ARE TWO WARS GOING ON IN IRAQ RIGHT NOW THE SO CALLED CIVIL WAR AND THE INSURGENCY WAR

the so called civil war is between the sunni and the shias being brought to you mostly by mr sadr

the insurgency war being fight by al quida, iran(suppling the weapons), and non iraqis
these people are the ones trying to stop democracy from taking hold in iraq

the usa and its allies are fighting the insurgency

we are also involved in the so called civil war to a lesser extent everyday

of course this is something that the idiots in washington don't want you to know

and mr sadr has decided to declare war on the occuping forces of the usa

if mr sadr wants us out of there all he has to do is stop the killing or the so called civil war

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Although that has nothing to due with Iraq, documents have been released that show the U.S. was aware of the death camps during the WWII.

they may have known about the camps but nothing could have prepared them for what reality was

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danielost

"The Muslim hates everyone that is not Muslim."

Hate is a strong word. The vast majority do not support attacks like 9/11. If the day comes what 1.2 Billion Moslems HATE all non Moslems enough to do things like 9/11, we and every other non Moslem Country had better arm to the teeth because we will be in WWIII which will make WWII look meek in comparison. Our invasion and occupation of Iraq has caused many more radical Moslems to be willing to attack us and that is why what we have done has made us LESS SAFE. That is the conclusion of the 16 Intel Agencies and it is what they said in the NIE!

“There are only two factions fighting in Iraq Sunni and Shea the Kurds are not involved”

“THEY ARE NOT TRYING TO TAKE CONTROL OF IRAQ THEY ARE ONLY TRYING TO KILL EACH OTHER “

That is not true. Both the Sunni and Shea want to control all but the Northern portion (Kurd area) and the oil wealth. The only reason the Kurds have been relatively calm is because the Sunni and Shea have allowed that area to be controlled by the Kurds including their oil wealth. If the day comes when either the Sunni or Shea try and exercise control over the north, the Kurds will be in the fight was well.

"al Qaeda and Iran are the threats to the USA right now"

I agree. Now look at the net result of our invasion of Iraq. We have enabled a government in Iraq to be created that is made up of the same faction that governs Iran. Iran and the new Iraqi government are moving closer together. As for al Qaeda they are operating in Iraq to a FAR GREATER degree then before our invasion. Because we did not send the troop levels into Iraq to prevent the entry and organization of the foreign terrorists, we have enabled them to operate in the new Iraq. Thus the Bush policy has destabilized Iraq, moved it closer to Iran and enabled al Qaeda to establish operational elements in Iraq. That has not made America safer!

"We are also involved in the so called civil war to a lesser extent everyday”

the events of the past month do not support that statement!

"they may have known about the camps but nothing could have prepared them for what reality was "

Top U.S. Officials had a good idea of the nature of the camps but the majority of Americans had no idea just how bad the situation was including our troops that liberated the camps!

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That is not true. Both the Sunni and Shea want to control all but the Northern portion (Kurd area) and the oil wealth.

the only news i have hearing is the sunni or shea are bombing markets and nieberhoods nothing about oil

the simple fact is shea are trying to get revenge on the sunni becouse of sadom

the kurds in the north had all or most of their oil income removed from them by sadom and it hasnt been restored to them

That has not made America safer!

i don't know where your getting your news from but i keep hearing about plot after plot being foiled by our government and the british government

there was a train in india a couple of years ago

some hindu man made a comment to a muslim who took it as an insult
all of the muslims on board stopped the train and killed every man, woman, and child on board becouse of the comment and these were the non radical muslims

one muslim lady was on fox news commenting on how peaceful the muslim faith is
a week later that same lady was calling for the assination of the pope becouse he quoted a bysintine emporer

again tell me who is and isn't radical

the french government has bent over backwards not to offend the muslims before and during this war

quess what al quida has called for the french muslims to over through the french government

iran kidnapped some 50 us citizens when carter was president

that is how long iran has been a direct threat to the usa

hamas and hezbollah send rockets into isreal and the un laughs about it

when isreal counter attacks everybody cries foul

hamas and hezbollah and iran don't want isreal to not excist they want to kill every jew on the planet

i think it was 1925 when the shiek over the area that is now isreal welcomed the jews home with open arms

in 1926 the attacks on the jews began

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Face it col. America has not lied to it's military. But on the other hand "you" have lied to us, over and over again.

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drmiler

Bush and Cheney have LIED to our Military.

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danielost

There are many Moslems that hate America and the west. However, the majority will not engage in acts like 9/11. We have however increased the number that would attack us because of our invasion of a Moslem country. We have NOT made our country safer and that is a fact. If we every get to the day when all or most of the Moslems hate us enough to attack us like on 9/11, we are in BIG TROUBLE!

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clinton was a coward

the people who strap bombs to kids are cowards

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danielost

The issue at hand has NOTHING to do with Clinton. This is what Bush and Cheney did to our military. They sent them into combat saying we were in danger when they had intelligence that said the opposite. They turned their back on military planning and the senior military leaders as to the troops needed to accomplish the mission. That is the reason why “Mission Accomplished” as Bush declared four year ago was not true. We did not incur the dead and wounded removing Saddam from power. That took place when we were unable to control Iraq because Bush did not listen to the experts as to what the needed recourses to prevent the sectarian violence from developing into what we see day after day. We landed in Europe June 6, 1944 and in a little over a year the war in Europe was OVER. We have been fighting in Iraq for over 4 years and the fighting and death gets worse every day. Ike did not invade Europe until he had the resources needed to do the job. Bush sent less then 1/3 the troops needed and the results are 3,000 dead and 25,000 injured. Those dead and injured are on his head and no one else. IT HAS NOTHING TO WITH CLINTON!

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We landed in Europe June 6, 1944 and in a little over a year the war in Europe was OVER.

and we were still fighting nazas 5 years after the war was over and in one day we lost more soilders than the entire war in afghan. we won that battle and that war

you want to put the un in charge tell me where has the un been successful any where in a peace mission

BILL CLINTON IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE 9/11 ATTACK becouse he is/was a coward and he didn't care about this country he only cared about his legacy

the commanding general said today that he will not know if the surge is working until sept. so tell me if the man in charge doesn't know yet why do you

now who is not listening to the military

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danielost

Bush was handed a report on 6 August 2001 that warned of the 9/11 attack. HE DID NOTHING to prevent that attack. Iraq had NOTHING to do with 9/11 so WHY did we invade Iraq? The pentagon said in 2002 that Saddam had no military capability to conduct military operations beyond the central section of Iraq. Then HOW was Saddam a threat to the most powerful country in the world that REQUIRED us to attack Iraq? WHY did Bush tell us about all the WMD that the intelligence DID NOT show existed? The new book by the former CIA Director is likely to blow the lid off what the CIA told Bush and Cheney and how the intelligence was IGNORED by Bush to invade a country that was NOT A DANGER to us. Bush ignored the warnings of Baker, Armitage, Powell and the CIA that invading Iraq would unleash sectarian violence and cause instability in Iraq. That is JUST WHAT HAPPENED. WHO ignored the war plan for Iraq that said we needed 500,000 troops in Iraq when Saddam fell to maintain control over the country? The entire situation which is a NO WIN situation is BUSH and CHENEY! They BOTH avoided Military Service when it was there time to serve but have no problem sending our military into as war that did not need to be fought with insufficient manpower and equipment to accomplish the mission they were given! BUSH and CHENEY are the two BIGGEST LOOSERS we have ever had as President and Vice President!!!

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The commanding general is just about the ONLY general that believes we can "WIN" with the added 30,000. Bush found a 3 star that was willing to say he would try a plan that other senior generals said would not work and get his 4th star. In the end, the surge will change nothing and when we leave Iraq there will be an upsurge in the Civil war until one faction comes out on top! The government we enabled to be established is not capable of governing Iraq and is moving closer to Iran.

The surge will only kill and injure more of our troops.

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Bush was handed a report on 6 August 2001 that warned of the 9/11 attack. HE DID NOTHING to prevent that attack.

bush was handed a report on august 6 2001 that warned that al quida was planning something

where do you think iran got their nuke program from

cheney was a war hero and bush did what he was ordered

saddam had to be removed period i knew it then and i know it now

ok now it is time for you to start calling me names

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