Well yes, gullable is the word. You seem to believe most of the conspiracies Ive read, or heard about. =/ And yes, I would want to guarantee my familys future, and current sucess. But do I think the worlds elite meet to play a global game or Risk, as you just stated, no, not at all. And well if you believe the basic concept, why not believe in shape shifting aliens? Most conspiracists for that subject say they have "proof" that the worlds leaders are shapeshifters.

I didn't have time to respond to this one. Have you looked around lately? If you have then you know about these overzealous Christians who are sending fists full of money to Israel in the efforts to bring about the end of the world don't you? There's no conspiracy theory behind this well known fact as I am sure others at this forum can clarify and confirm this fact for me. So I guess it would go to show that you can laugh all you want to about conspiracy nuts and the Illuminati and the government cover ups, all the while saying this could never happen, but then right before your very eyes a group of Christians are publicly proclaiming that they ARE TRYING TO BRING ABOUT THE END OF THE WORLD people! Who needs conspiracy theories when real life has so much more to offer!

Oh, and who are these Christians giving money to Israel to "bring forth the end of the world"?

Don't even know of whom you speak, but I guess since I run in those 'conspiracy circles' as you seem to want to label me since I speak out against our government or anyone else who is trying to deceive the people I should have his name tattooed to my ass or something right?
You are obviously looking to do nothing more than belittle me/this topic instead of actually debating the possibilities. You also seem to have your mind made up that all is wonderful with the world and things that happen are truly coincidence. One could therefore conclude that these things being said, you also believe in a different law of physics than the rest of the world. Your physics would say that steel could melt in a fire that just can't get hot enough for long enough to melt it, right? You believe people can bend spoons with the heat from a simple match, right? Oh, and to hit 9/11 square on the head, a few guys with razor blades (as that is all a box cutter is) were able to convince dozens of people that they would die if they attempted to stop a hijacking? Come on... people show more angst over a bad call at a football game. You mean to tell me no one on any one of those planes would have attempted anything to stop it? What about remote controlled planes? Do you claim that they aren't out there right now? Or do you claim they aren't feasible? All things from the 70's that were meant to counter hijacking of airplanes. But no, no one could ever use that against us now, why would they? Why did Silverstein gain millions of dollars for the loss of his properties? I guess none of that was in his best interest huh? Or how about do a public records search of the NYC Municipal Authority. See what their building inspectors found wrong with the trade centers during their inspections in the 80's. Asbestos among many other health code/environmental issues. Guess who would have had to pay big bucks for repairs. Go ahead... the NYC PA, that's who. Finally, how many buildings freefall into their own footprints without any resistance whatsoever? The only ones I have learned about that do that are the ones PURPOSEFULLY demolished. So please, feel free to share your opinions or debate me or whatever... but don't start to belittle me. For I could easily do the same and start with you over something trivial and mundane... like your little avatar that you got there... am I making my point?
edit: Sorry, didn't mean to come off as a prick... just a little miffed from work related things, not your comments. Re-read some of your comments and nothing insulting towards me in there really, so again, forgive my 'mean spirit' today.

Steel doesn't have to melt. It looses 85% of its tensile strength at temperatures over 500 degrees. The Trade Centers were built with a load bearing exterior wall and a central elevator core so they would have large, open, uninterrupted interior spaces - trading floors - hence, Trade Center. When the exterior wall was damaged and the steel weakened the floors pancaked onto one another in sequence, right down into the footprint of the building.

You find this difficult to believe. I find the thought of the government attacking it's own citizens as an elaborate insurance scam difficult to believe. It could be true. I just think my explanation is more plausible.



People are sheep. The pyscho Korean kid at Virginia Tech shot 58 people in the engineering school. He had to stop to reload at least once - two Glocks would only hold 36 rounds - and nobody even threw a chair at him. A few students were smart enough to jump out the windows, but nobody tried to stop him. In WW2 the Jews marched quietly on to the boxcars taking them to their doom. People are sheep

Remember, the first planes thought they were being hijacked. It made sense to sit quietly, since that would be the best idea. When the folks on United 98 realized what was happening they did take action, and probably saved the Capitol.

These are the kind of holes in the logic of the argument that makes the conspiract theory hard to believe. Personally, I think this big, bloated, inefficient government is too damn dumb to pull off something that complicated. They can't even fire some attorneys without getting in trouble.

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Challenge!!!! OK, make me believe it. Keep in mind, you have to explain how it remained such a secret that not one Democratic operative could use it against the great Bush-Satan.

I think the dark ages could be involved in this argument also. but thats not my point.
Many differing perspectives have been brought forward. many atrocities committed by all involved.
We all have a litany of atrocity worthy of contempt and definitely worth hiding from the present day.

All I am asking is that my government lets me decide how my freedoms are to be curtailed and how scared I actually am.

When you define my fear in words of war and constitutional change that curtails my freedom then you have surely kidnapped my fear, whether real or manipulated, for your own ends.

Neil.


P.S. I just think it's a dishonest politic that relies on scare tactics to belittle our intelligent assesments of world affairs.

Then dont come to this thread.

Lol, well its in the offtopic forum. And you are right though, this is a unusual topic for a videogame site.

Thats why i don't go to theoretical physics forums. The discussions are mostly well beyond me.

Dont worry Marcus. I love this kind of discussion. Hence why I posted multiple times.

Watch the news, read the papers, especially tabloids, their whole rhetoric is based upon mass media sales, those sales are only achieved by escalating a crisis into hysterics if possible. then look at the propaganda released by our governments.
Is it designed to help us understand the nature of the wars our leaders wage,
or is it more likely designed to scare us into agreeing with their way of thinking.

I suggest that these arguments aren't directed at the events but more pointed at our fears of the worst case scenario that these events could ensue.

This is why I don't trust my government to tell me the truth.
Especial considering the interests they have to protect.

That doesn't mean I'm a conspiracy theorist, It just makes me one of many who aren't going to be intimidated by my government and essentially believe without question what they say.

Being the perfect "devils advocate" I would hypothesise that America might be the next country that uses nuclear weapons in anger.

War is a horrible thing, even an idiot can tell you that. But it IS sometimes what one might call a 'necessary evil.' The American Revolution? I'd call that one necessary, not just because I'm an American who detests British accents (male british accents anyways). WWI? No way, that was a huge mess caused by bad blood, bad politics, and crazy people. WWII? Again no way, but the U.S. entering the war WAS a necessary evil. Even if the Japanese hadn't attacked. Korea? Couldn't tell you, I haven't studied it much, but it was one of the most poorly handled coflicts of the century. Vietnam? He11 no. Iraq 1? Yes, if we were so petty as to 'laugh in their faces' because they didn't like us haveing armed troops in thier territory then we should be shot, ALL OF US. Iraq II should never have happened/be happening, Saddam should have been executed the first time.

I don't believe that U.S. companies or the government orchestrated 9/11. Its the most ludicrous thing i've ever heard. If these people were so diabolical and powerfull, what makes you think that those who profess such insanity wouldn't be killed? If they were really that evil and powerfull they could have these people eliminated the moment they even thought about telling the world of this great conspiracy. Its insanity.

Its even more insane than Jack Thompson, and thats not easy. You have to realize that facts aren't enough, logic must be applied to the facts, and that the human mind has a habit of seeing exactly what it wants to see, of interjecting plots and irregularities where they don't exist.

And we DID land on the moon.