CUT SPENDING! » Forum Post by COL Gene

IslandDog

No I do not favor added welfare programs. In fact I said that if we were to add a prescription Drug plan it had to be funded with new revenue which is what Bush and the GOP Controlled Congress FAILED to do. That plan will add to the funding issues of Medicare which are greater then the problems with Social Security and will be a problem much sooner. So what did Bush do? He tried to address Social Security that is a far smaller problem and much further out in time while ignoring Medicare and adding to that problem with the LARGEST NEW ENTITLEMENT program since the 1960's.

However I do favor FULLY FUNDING the programs we have promised people they will have upon retirement. I favor FULLY funding the existing programs to help the poor with housing, heat, food and medical care. Bush and the GOP have done more to add to entitlements that anyone in 40 years! Bush and the GOP have increased PORK more then the Democrats. Bush and the GOP have taken Earmarks from1,400 per year to 14,000 last year. I think it is pure BS when I hear the so called conservatives blast the Democrats for increased spending! Bush and the GOP have out spent the Democrats by a wide margin! In addition they Borrow the added spending and cause MORE spending in the form of added interest. The increased debt that Bush and the GOP have added since 2000 has increased the interest on the debt by $150 Billion dollars per year. By the time Bush retires he will have added $200 Billion per year to the interest we must pay on the national Debt!

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Island Dog

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I favor FULLY funding the existing programs to help the poor with housing, heat, food and medical care.

So the answer is yes then.

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Island Dog

The answer is NO.

There is nothing Socialistic about a society where 51% of the wealth is held by 1% of the population. Or 90 % is held by the top 10%. That is the opposite of socialism! Helping the POOR and the DISABLED has nothing to do with socialism but with humanity and compassion!!!!!

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Island Dog

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Helping the POOR and the DISABLED has nothing to do with socialism but with humanity and compassion!!!!!

Helping the poor is not the job of the federal government or anybody for that matter. You keep advocating for "rich" people to support poor people for the "greater good". What do you call that?

Amazing how someone who constantly whines about budgets has no problem giving money to wastefull welfare programs.

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You are an IDIOT that does not have the slightest idea of what you are talking about. The proof of that is you support for a President and Congress that is destroying the low and middle income families of our country. You support a president that has mortgage the future of this country by refusing to balance the budget. You support a President that LIED about the Danger Saddam posed to our country and sent our military to an UNNEEDED and UNJUSTIFIED WAR that has caused great harm to our country and Iraq. You support a President that has been a TOTAL FAILURE as President just like during the rest of his life.
“I'm sure Colonels in the military live hand to mouth, too...”

I must have missed it, Col. Please remind me when we had a Libertarian president or a Libertarian majority Congress?

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“Helping the poor is not the job of the federal government or anybody for that matter. You keep advocating for "rich" people to support poor people for the "greater good". What do you call that?” Compassion and Humanity!

Providing help to the poor and disabled is a responsibility that our elected Congress has accepted by creating the very programs you want to cut. YOU may want these poor and disabled to just starve or go without medical care but that is NOT what the government we elected wants to do by the fact they have enacted programs to help these people.

“Amazing how someone who constantly whines about budgets has no problem giving money to wasteful welfare programs.”

The budget problems I sight is the unwillingness to PAY for the PROGRAMS that have been established by those we have elected! I do not consider programs that provide medical care to those that need care and can nor afford it wasteful. I do not consider programs wasteful that help feed people that need help or to help them heat their homes or provide help so they have a place to live. I believe these are FAR more important than tax cuts to the wealthy so they can pile up their surplus a little higher.

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Island Dog

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You keep avoiding the basic point. It's not the responsibility of the federal government to provide for the poor.

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Island Dog

You are the one that refuses to understand that Congress has enacted programs like Medicaid, Food Stamps, Section 8 Housing etc to help those that need help. That means those we have elected believe that it is the responsibility of the Federal Government to help people. You may not agree but the majority of those we elected to govern our Republic think otherwise!

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Island Dog

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You are the one that refuses to understand that Congress has enacted programs like Medicaid, Food Stamps, Section 8 Housing etc to help those that need help. That means those we have elected believe that it is the responsibility of the Federal Government to help people. You may not agree but the majority of those we elected to govern our Republic think otherwise!

LOL.

I understand that completely, but it doesn't make it right. As I said the federal government has no responsibility to fund the poor.

If you believe welfare and section 8 are actually helping our society then you have no clue about reality.

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Island Dog

"I understand that completely, but it doesn't make it right.” Yes it is right berceuse our elected representatives have created these programs and the fact that you do not approve of them does not make them wrong. Those programs are the LAW of the LAND. That is the way our constitution established our government.

"If you believe welfare and section 8 are actually helping our society then you have no clue about reality." My step son would not have a place to live without section 8. You are the one that does not know what you are talking about. That program helps millions to have a place to live!

Before you tell me that we could provide him a home let me inform you that would terminate his medical coverage under Medicaid and we could not provide for his health needs without that program. His diabetes is very severe and has plagued him for over 32 years. You are full of BS. There are millions of people who could not live without these Federal Programs!

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Before you tell me that we could provide him a home let me inform you that would terminate his medical coverage under Medicaid and we could not provide for his health needs without that program.

And worst of all he has a father with no compassion who pimps his son out to sell a book instead of helping his son out as a father should help a son.

I agree, the situation is beyond sad, really.

For the record, I know of NOONE with diabetes, severe or otherwise, who is completely and totally incapable of working. You've taught your son how to milk the system well, Col.

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Draginol

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What I said that people with real wealth like people in the top 20% that would put their own wealth above the needs of the poor are GREEDY. The wealthy do not NEED the money that a slight tax increase would cost them and it would not impact their families. On the other hand, eliminating the benefits you suggested would devastate the bottom 20%. I agree with the position of Bill Gates and Warren Buffet when they wrote to Bush in 2001 and said, “DO NOT CUT TAXES FOR THE WEALTHY. OUR COUNTRY HAS MORE URGENT NEEDS FOR THAT MONEY!” They understood the GREATER good and need of our country. That stands is stark contract to what you and others have suggested.

If you block me from JoeUser it will be because you fear the TRUTH. Nothing you can say or do changes the fact that the wealthy will not suffer from returning the pre 2000 tax rates. Nothing you can say will change the fact that to cut the benefits as you suggested to the poor will not create great harm to millions of Americans.

I will ask you again:

Are you accusing me of being greedy?

I oppose higher taxes not out of personal avarice but because I can do more good with it than the government can. I also believe welfare does far more harm than good for the poor. Unlike you, I have first hand experience being in that bottom 10%. Nothing robs the human spirit than entitlements.

If you truly believe that my opposition to higher taxes is because of personal greed even as you use my property to espouse your opinions free of charge -- thanks to my generosity then I will withhold that generosity from you.

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“And worst of all he has a father with no compassion who pimps his son out to sell a book instead of helping his son out as a father should help a son.”

YOU ARE AN ASS. We help our son but without the help he receives from the programs you want to end so the wealthy can wallow in their money he could not live. YOU ARE A DISPICABLE excuse for a HUMAN BEING and a DISGRACE as an American!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I oppose higher taxes not out of personal avarice but because I can do more good with it than the government can. I also believe welfare does far more harm than good for the poor. Unlike you, I have first hand experience being in that bottom 10%. Nothing robs the human spirit than entitlements.

If you truly believe that my opposition to higher taxes is because of personal greed even as you use my property to espouse your opinions free of charge -- thanks to my generosity then I will withhold that generosity from you. YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT! The damage that the Debt is creating is FAR GREATER then imposing higher taxes on those that can afford to pay a little more!!!!!!!!!!

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Hrm, thinking about it, I guess it was tax money that paid your wages, huh, Col?

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Island Dog

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Those programs are the LAW of the LAND. That is the way our constitution established our government.

Welfare programs are not part of the Constitution col, and can and should be cut and limited.

Before you tell me that we could provide him a home let me inform you that would terminate his medical coverage under Medicaid and we could not provide for his health needs without that program. His diabetes is very severe and has plagued him for over 32 years. You are full of BS. There are millions of people who could not live without these Federal Programs!

And why do millions of people rely on the government col? How many of those people can go out and support themselves? You are the typical liberal who believes nobody can survive without the government handing over something to them. Pathetic.

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Draginol

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If you truly believe that my opposition to higher taxes is because of personal greed even as you use my property to espouse your opinions free of charge -- thanks to my generosity then I will withhold that generosity from you.

YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT! The damage that the Debt is creating is FAR GREATER then imposing higher taxes on those that can afford to pay a little more!!!!!!!!!!

That's an amazingly arrogant comment.

On what basis can you possibly claim to be more informed than I am. You also didn't answer the question. You can disagree with my opinion but don't question my motives.

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YOU ARE A DISPICABLE excuse for a HUMAN BEING and a DISGRACE as an American!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You want despicable? How about a retired military person using his son's illness to sell books and demanding that the wealthy surrender their money to pay for his failure as a father?

Charity begins at home, Col.

And when did YOU get to define what makes an American? Did our founding fathers steal the assets of other Americans? Frankly, I think a money grubbing Marxist who pimps out his son is about as despicable as it gets!

And I HAVEN'T forgotten about the fake persona you made to launch personal attacks on me in the past, Col, so if we're going to talk about despicable characters, let's do. I at least respond to you in my own screen name rather than sniping from a second user name.

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Bakerstreet

Hrm, thinking about it, I guess it was tax money that paid your wages, huh, Col? When I was in the Army and local taxes paid my salary when I ran a school district. That was about half of my career. SO WHAT! It was money well spent because I did the job I was paid to do and I did it well unlike GWB!

Island Dog

I never said they were. They were enacted into law by the government created under our Constitution and ELECTED by the voters. I support welfare reform. I do not support telling people that need help that we must protect tax cuts to the wealthy over helping them to live! You are the PATHETIC one!!!!!

Dragional

I agree with Gates and Buffet who I bet could buy and sell you many times over. They wrote to Bush and said, "The wealthy do not NEED a tax cut. We have far more pressing needs for our country then to give tax cuts to the wealthy"

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"When I was in the Army and local taxes paid my salary when I ran a school district. That was about half of my career. SO WHAT! It was money well spent because I did the job I was paid to do and I did it well unlike GWB!"

So what? You can't see someone who was paid by tax dollars all their life maybe, perhaps, having just a little bias in favor of taxation? Public servants being, oh, maybe just a tad in favor of public services? One what side was your bread buttered? Lol...

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Bakerstreet

I also worked for two private universities, GE, Ford and Merchants National Bank. I guess they were on the dole from you precious tax dollars. I guess the two companies I formed were also funded from tax dollars. What an IDIOT you are!

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No, Col, I think an idiot is a man that could look at the wonder that is mankind, it's history, its innovation, and pretend that unless we prop them up, the average person can't survive. I'm afraid that several thousand years of world history defies that.

If you want a nanny state wherein the bottom third live in an overgrown, smelly daycare center, fine. I think you'll find that hasn't worked in those spots around the world wherein it was attempted.

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Island Dog

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I never said they were. They were enacted into law by the government created under our Constitution and ELECTED by the voters. I support welfare reform. I do not support telling people that need help that we must protect tax cuts to the wealthy over helping them to live! You are the PATHETIC one!!!!!

It really has nothing to do with protecting tax cuts. Welfare programs are wasteful and hurt society. They should be mostly cut and eliminated. Once again it's just hillarious how someone who whines day after day about budgets advocates more of a welfare state.

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Bakerstreet & Island Dog

You are good examples of the conservative ideas that say the HELL with anyone that needs help. People need help for several reasons:

Some perform jobs that need to be done which do not pay a living wage. The next time you go to a fast food restraint or Wall Mart you prove that there are millions of jobs that DO NOT PAY a salary and benefits that will allow those with those jobs to meet the minimum cost to live.

Some are unable to work because of physical or mental problems. In some cases these people have been helped to do some work but again they can only do jobs that pay a non-living wage.

Some are poor because they do not work and expect society to give them a hand out. These are the people I would not support and the welfare reform has done a lot to limit and end this type of welfare.

The issue of the deficit and our spending are tied to a lot of issues. The VAST majority of federal spending goes to three things - Help to the needy (section 8 housing, Food Stamps and Medicaid), Defense/ homeland security and Interest on the national debt. Of those three we can not do without defense, we have obligated ourselves to the interest by not balancing the budget starting with Reagan in 1981 and help to those that have NOTHING. You could balance the budget by eliminating any one of these. The problem is that both the interest and defense can not be cut and that leaves only help to those that need it. The other option is to increase the Tax revenue by admitting that the tax cuts were not possible and were predicated on a BIG LIE-- We had a Surplus that needed to be returned to the tax payers. Since there was NO SURPLUS there was NO OVERTAXING as Bush claimed.

It is remarkable how our leaders refuse to learn. In 1981 Reagan told us that if we cut taxes we would have a balanced budget by 1985. When that did not happen, Reagan like Bush 43 refused to alter the course and the deficit Reagan created continued for 19 years. Then Bush 43 did the exact same thing and immediately we went into a deficit. Any reasonable person would say this is not working since we went from a balanced budget in 2000 and are now in deficit again. We have a President that insisted on a major war and does not increase taxes to pay for that war. We have a president that supports a major increase in Medicare benefits with the drug plan and again does not add ONE CENT of money to pay for this huge new benefit. That is what the Comptroller General means by his condemnation of Bush and his fiscal policies.

Anyone that supports Bush is just as bad because they enable him to continue policies that are putting our country in danger! The people started to force a change in 2006. It will most likely take another election to remove the members of Congress that continue to support Bush and his loosing policies. Any member of Congress that is up for reelection in 2008 better support the changes voters showed they wanted in 2006 or face removal from office.

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Island Dog

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You are good examples of the conservative ideas that say the HELL with anyone that needs help. People need help for several reasons:

LOL. There you go with your clueless accusations again.

"Poor" people in this country are mostly so because of their own ignorance, stupidity, or downright laziness. Yes, there are people who might generally need help, but they are few and far between. Go to your local welfare office col, and tell me how many of those people there are able to work and support themselves.

Some perform jobs that need to be done which do not pay a living wage. The next time you go to a fast food restraint or Wall Mart you prove that there are millions of jobs that DO NOT PAY a salary and benefits that will allow those with those jobs to meet the minimum cost to live.

Because someone chooses to work for a low-wage employer is not my problem col. I have respect for anyone who earns an honest living, but don't give me your crap that someone who chooses to work at wal-mart deserves an entitlement.

Some are poor because they do not work and expect society to give them a hand out. These are the people I would not support and the welfare reform has done a lot to limit and end this type of welfare.

Welfare reform hasn't done nothing. Like I said, go to your local Florida welfare office and tell me how welfare reform has worked again.

Anyone that supports Bush is just as bad because they enable him to continue policies that are putting our country in danger! The people started to force a change in 2006. It will most likely take another election to remove the members of Congress that continue to support Bush and his loosing policies. Any member of Congress that is up for reelection in 2008 better support the changes voters showed they wanted in 2006 or face removal from office.

Why do you have to be so dramatic? This country is not in any "danger" as been proven to you before. You act like te end of the world is near because there is a deficit. Most Americans don't even know what the word deficit means. All your articles are based on one thing....raising taxes on successful Americans even though you have been shown the adverse affects. You are one-sided and can't even be honest enough to admit it.

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LOL. There you go with your clueless accusations again.

Give it up ID. The col is just a points whore!

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