drmiler

Whatrdo you think we could cut in Pork and Special Interest spending?

Col,

You are so far out in left field you have no clue as to reality. Jesus commanded the CHURCH to care for the poor and needy. Where does separation of church and state come in, Col?

You are in no position to lecture me on Scripture, Col. You use it selectively and COMPLETELY out of context. You're as bad a preacher as you are a politician!

Bakerstreet

I do not believe there is anything like 90% overhead in government programs. That is an unsubstantiated statement to make people like you believe we should end them. As to the need, I suggest you look at the ways people live in some of our largest cities. Look at the conditions in Texas and LA where the storms unveiled the abject poverty. I know there are many reasons that people need help. We need to encourage people that CAN do for themselves to do more. However some do work at jobs our society does not value enough to pay a living wage. In some cases people have physical or mental problems that make them need help. For you and anyone else to take the position it is more important for the wealthy to pay less tax so they can pile their wealth up a little more and cut the benefits of people that need help more clearly then anything else shows the type of person they are. The assistance of providing medical care under Medicaid or the food stamps to the hungry. Health care to children and the old. A place to live under section 8. Heat to the poor and elderly in winter. Anyone that considers this help less important then to have people with Millions of Dollars pay a little more in taxes is disgusting. Today a report that documents that 50% of Americans live Pay check to Pay check. In some cases that is because people make poor choices in the spending. However in many cases it is simply that they do not earn enough to pay the cost to live!

I suggest the multi millionaires who are among the top 10% try living for a year on the average wage of the Bottom 10%. That might give them a different perspective of what it is like to be POOR in America!

I suggest YOU try it, Col, rather than demanding multimillionaires try it. You don't have any more of a clue then they do!

Col,

Let me say this again: You don't know SHIT about being poor in America, and your condescending attitude is an INSULT to those of us who do! You propose that we steal the fruits of someone else's labor to pay for the sloth of others. Well, sloth is a sin too, or didn't you know that with your multiple doctorates in economics, divinity, and law? The simple fact is the majority of the poor in America are poor because they are LAZY, not because of Joe CEO. Don't believe me? Go to any McDonald's and tell me what kind of shitty service you get! I have never gotten service that was worth having at McDonald's except when I worked there, and I have never had to work at those cesspools for long!

You wanted areas to cut, we gave you some. You then demanded that there is no place to cut in those budgets, and that we were selfish sinners for demanding that there was, even though there is no recorded event of Jesus addressing the Roman Senate, in the Gospels OR any apocryphal or secular texts (seems Jesus would have made the trip to Rome if that was His mission now, doesn't it?). Every time you are presented with facts, you counter with personal attacks, name calling and blame.

NOW LET ME PUT THE FACTS TO YOU, YOU SELF RIGHTEOUS, PIOUS SON OF A BITCH!!!! I make less than the median household income and I just GAVE away an $1800 car. That car ALONE came very close to representing a tithe for me for the year. I have NEVER turned anyone away hungry from my door, and have probably given away more in food over the past year than you have in a lifetime! I have given of time, money, AND property every time I have been able. Don't you EVER preach at ME when you don't know the facts...ESPECIALLY when your entire diatribe is meant to SELL A BOOK to LINE YOUR OWN POCKETS!

Gideon

“Simple fact is the majority of the poor in America are poor because they are LAZY.”

This is the LIE many wealthy use to justify their GREED! Some people are poor because they are LAZY. However many more work hard at jobs that pay nothing. Some are disabled or just old. Others got the shitty end of the stick like my son who has diabetes. Nothing changes the fact that so far as I am concerned it is far more important to help those that need help so long as they do what they can then to have the wealthy that have everything pay a little more in tax so the people of our country can live. Many wealthy were handed their wealth. Some got lucky in business. To assert that ANYONE is worth the huge salaries that many CEO's are being paid is simply untrue. Many of these CEO's that FAILED get golden parachutes that are obscene in their size. Guess what-- a LOT of poor and middle income people are paying more for the things they produce for them to get their wealth. Look at the way Gas prices have gone up again which harms every person and company in this country so a few oil companies can make ever increasing profits!

You have no idea of what I and my wife do to support people. I wrote my book to document the truth about the way this country is being run. If as you claim you earn less than median income and support the policies of Bush and the GOP, you have been mislead because those policies are destroying the future of this country. They are harming the low and middle income working families in America. They are mortgaging our children’s future!

I think this whole thing really comes down to certain people wanting a welfare state.  Welfare programs and the like do not help this country, and I'm sure a pretty good arguement could be made that they actually hurt the country.

The "poor" in this country have it pretty good compared to other places in the world.  With obesity being a common problem among the poor they are certainly not starving in the streets as col would like to make people think.  People are poor for a variety of reasons, but I bet most are because of laziness and the dependency of welfare programs.  There is not one single reason one class of people should pay more in taxes just to ensure welfare programs, that is ridiculous.

But it's not enough for our poor to have color TV. They need plasma big screen TV's, Island Dog! They need to enjoy the fruits of hard work without actually having to put forth any effort! How dare you suggest they are unworthy!

I'm sure Colonels in the military live hand to mouth, too...

Are you stating that I am greedy, Gene? Say the word and I can help validate your claim by removing the free blog that I provide to you for free. I provide JU as a community service in its own way. It has no business justification whatsoever.

So if you're going to say that I'm greedy, Gene, then you are not invited to stay here.  I am willing to debate on any number of subjects, but I'm not about to have someone calling me greedy (unless there's any other multi-millionaires participating in this thread you'd like to point to) even as they make use of my property that I share with others freely. 

If you knew anything about me, my life, and what I do, you would realize how insulting it is for someone to argue that my opposition to having my earnings taxed into oblivion is based on greed.

If anyone ever needed to read Atlas Shrugged, it's you Gene. Read up on Philip Rearden from that book.

“The "poor" in this country have it pretty good compared to other places in the world.”

The problem with that is that to live in America it costs a lot more then in other countries. If you are saying the poor should be glad they live better then some in Africa for example so the rich can pile up more money, you are just GREEDY and heartless. We can and SHOULD do better in America. We should be helping people who do their part or are unable to feed for themselves. It would be nice if all these needs were met by charity. The truth is they are NOT MET by charity. The social programs after welfare reform are for the most part needed. Life is Choices-- One choice is give tax cuts to the wealthy with a SURPLUS that NEVER EXISTED and continue to go deeper into debt so we mortgage the future OR increase the taxes for those that can afford a little more to help protect the financial future of America and protect the help to people that NEED that HELP!

“NOW LET ME PUT THE FACTS TO YOU, YOU SELF RIGHTEOUS, PIOUS SON OF A BITCH!!!!”

You are an IDIOT that does not have the slightest idea of what you are talking about. The proof of that is you support for a President and Congress that is destroying the low and middle income families of our country. You support a president that has mortgage the future of this country by refusing to balance the budget. You support a President that LIED about the Danger Saddam posed to our country and sent our military to an UNNEEDED and UNJUSTIFIED WAR that has caused great harm to our country and Iraq. You support a President that has been a TOTAL FAILURE as President just like during the rest of his life.
“I'm sure Colonels in the military live hand to mouth, too...”

No but privates and sergeants’ and Lieutenants do!

“Most people in the bottom 10%tile in income do not work. I have posted census data on JU countless times over the years.
The % of people in the bottom 10% of income that work full time is almost non-existent”.
I have not scene any valid data on what % of the lowest 10% do not work. However you would also have to know how many of that bottom 10% can not work—Age, disability etc. You would also have to know if there are JOBS available. To say people are POOR because they want to be poor is just BS!

Dragioinal

This is the LIE many wealthy use to justify their GREED!
Are you stating that I am greedy, Gene?


What I said that people with real wealth like people in the top 20% that would put their own wealth above the needs of the poor are GREEDY. The wealthy do not NEED the money that a slight tax increase would cost them and it would not impact their families. On the other hand, eliminating the benefits you suggested would devastate the bottom 20%. I agree with the position of Bill Gates and Warren Buffet when they wrote to Bush in 2001 and said, “DO NOT CUT TAXES FOR THE WEALTHY. OUR COUNTRY HAS MORE URGENT NEEDS FOR THAT MONEY!” They understood the GREATER good and need of our country. That stands is stark contract to what you and others have suggested.


If you block me from JoeUser it will be because you fear the TRUTH. Nothing you can say or do changes the fact that the wealthy will not suffer from returning the pre 2000 tax rates. Nothing you can say will change the fact that to cut the benefits as you suggested to the poor will not create great harm to millions of Americans.

Spoken like a true socialist.

So.....

Do you want a welfare state col?  Be honest for once.