dragional


Here is a question for you that no Bushie has had the guts to answer.

In 2001 Bush justified his tax cuts by telling us we were overtaxing the American taxpayers and the proof of that was this $5.7 Trillion dollar Surplus over the next ten years. There was NO Surplus. NOT ONE DOLLAR! WHY are we continuing tax cuts to return a Surplus that does not exist?

Greenspan and O’Neil advised Bush to tie the tax cuts to the available Surplus. I doubt that either of them believed we had the $5.7 Trillion Dollar Surplus but as good Republicans they did not want to tell Bush he was full of BS! Bush cleverly did not accept their advice and got his tax cuts through Congress regardless of the fact there is no Surplus to return to anyone.

I'm pretty sure we were both referring to police.

Dragional

"You can't just state that social security "helps" the economy and leave it at that. How does it help the economy more than what the producers could do with the capital?"

Good Question. Demand that results from spending is the driving economic force. Most economists state that at least 70% of economic activity is a direct result of spending and this creates demand. Lower income people spend all of their disposable income which creates demand. Supply caused by investment does produce growth but is not as effectively as demand and spending by consumers. Thus to trade dollars, that would reduce spending as cutting Social Security would do, for the LESS effective economic stimulus does not make economic sense. In addition, cutting Social Security so we could maintain or increase tax cuts to the wealthy to boost investment would create major social issues. Finally, for investment to produce increased economic activity there must be increased spending. If the new investment causes one company to increase sales while another company experiences a corresponding drop in sales is no solution. There must be MORE available dollars to be spent. If the dollars remain the same or drop from a cut or the elimination of Social Security, spending will be reduced and the economy will suffer!

Sorry Brad but that is partly incorrect. State does "not" provide security at "any" international border. IE: Canada or Mexico. Those are taken care of by "Federal" Border Patrol Agents. Which is the security that col is talking about. And if the "state" provides security they were doing a poor job on 9/11. I'm pretty sure we were both referring to police.

"You" may have been. But I'm "relatively" sure the col wasn't. He specifically said "national" defense. National defense usually doesn't include police. Since police do not defend the country as a whole. Now internal security is different. And "you" were correct about the other things that the state supplies.

Draginol Individuals do not provide things like national defense. They do not provide roads, internal security. They do not provide Social Security and Medicare. The services provided by the Federal Government allow people like you to be in business.

Although this statement is obviously wrong.

The services provided by the Federal Government allow people like you to be in business

Perhaps the col would care to explain just "what" services the Feds supply that "allow" people to run a business?

Yes, and every one except social secureity and medicare are required by the consititution. The last two were temproary helps that were supposed to go private within ten years of them starting.

drmiler

All these are needed for our country to exist. Without security provided by the military, coast Guard, FBI Etc we would not be able to do anything. All these services create the system that is essential for our society to exist. They are NOT as you state nice to have. You are such a FOOL. GO LIVE ON AN ISLAND and provide everything for yourself!

col political hack is correct here. Yes, I am agreeing with the political hack, because he is correct here and when he is right I will agree with the hack. The agencies the hack listed are required by the constitution because no naton can work with without them. They are and at the same time not required for commerce. They keep the system fair for all allowwing anyone to become a success.



Again the hack is correct. Look at other countries like France where they don't have a fair playing field. The rich get richer and the contry takes the money from the rich and give less than a third to the poor. The government keeps the rest meanign that the nation stagnates with High unemployment. So the Socialism that the Hack wants for our nation is what ruined the French and other nations that like taking money from those that earn it to give it those that don't.

Please understand that the government does nothing for business other than provide a fair playing field for all nothing more. The government is not in the business of business.

You have that backwaards. We the people in order to form a more perfect union. Does this sound familure? We the people set up the government to see to our needs not the other way around. The purpose of our government is to provide for the nation things that individuals can not do on our own. Security, such as the military to protect the nation and the national interest. Police, such as the FBI, US Marshals, and so on to enforce the laws providing a level playing field for all to have a fair chance and equal protection. Our forefathers saw what we needed and created a constitution to protect us from all the problems that other countries had. We prospered faster than any other nation because we allowed our people to do what they felt was best instead of the government making those choices for us.

We used to say that all regulations in the Marines were written in blood. Someone had to die or get seriously injured before someone made a rule saying don't do that.

I see your point but it is still wrong. Allow me to show you what I mean. 1862 the IRS was born to collect money from businesses that failed to live up to their civic obligations. Businesses were the only ones that were required to pay taxes. Some businesses became rich because they did not pay the taxes due. The government needed the money from taxes to pay for the government to do its business. To pay the military to keep us safe and so on. It leveled the playing field. Ensuring that all companies paid their fair share to support the building of the nation and pay for the war.

1891 Immigration to keep track of and regulate the number of people entering the nation to insure we don’t have too many immigrants causing us to loose our national identity. Again it levels the playing field and keeps the people that are on top on top.

1908 it was called the Bureau of Investigation. It was a useless organization for political pay outs, giving jobs to friends and supporters. In 1922 the Teapot Dome scandal made them look for a professional federal police that did nothing but find criminals. 1924 a 25 year old J. Edgar Hoover was appointed the director of the Bureau. He changed the name to the FBI and made a name for himself and the organization. Not until his death did they start having problems. Again the purpose was to keep the playing field fair and allow mister Hoover to wear dresses without being bothered by people.

1934 the FCC is to ensure people on the radio did not abuse their power.

1947, the national security act of 1947 showed we had a need for an international spy agency. The FBI was responsible for domestic security the CIA was responsible for all American interests outside the US. Before there was a CIA there was the Corps of Intelligence Police started in 1917 which was followed by the Office of Strategic Services or OSS that did the dirty work of the nation during a time of war. Before that it was the DSS or the Diplomatic Security Service that worked with the Corps of Intelligence Police until it was replaced by the Defense Intelligence Agency. We have had spy agencies in this nation since Jefferson, we just did not officially recognize them until 1947. I would agree that some agencies need to go the way of the democrat I mean the dinosaur. But most are created because there was a need of some kind to protect the public.

You ask where in the constitution? Let me answer,
Article One: Legislative power
Main article: Article One of the United States Constitution
Article One establishes the legislative branch of government, U.S. Congress, which includes the House of Representatives and the Senate. The legislative branch makes the laws. The Article establishes the manner of election and qualifications of members of each House. In addition, it provides for free debate in congress and limits self-serving behavior of congressmen, outlines legislative procedure and indicates the powers of the legislative branch.

Here is the bottom line! The Voters of this country have elected Congress that over the years has established laws to provide the services of the federal government. The Supreme Court has not struck down those laws. Those agencies and programs cost money and it is our responsibility to pay for those services and programs so long as they remain in existence. Some of you may want things like SS, Medicare, and Medicaid etc. ended. The vast majority want them continued. Until the voters elect a congress that repeals those programs, we have a responsibility to fully pay the cost of the agencies and programs approved by those we have elected! That will require a lot more revenue to fund!!!!!

Sorry but that was not the question asked or answered.



Not all of them have been challenged and taken to the supreme court.

Sorry but this don't cut it! Nothing of what you explained, is "required" to "allow" Brad to own/operate Stardock. Sorry but that was not the question asked or answered.

Sorry but it most surely was. Go back and read it again. Please....allow me.

#133 by COL Gene Tue, March 06, 2007 1:31 PM Drmiler "Perhaps the col would care to explain just "what" services the Feds supply that "allow" people to run a business?: Here are a few: Security- national defense and homeland security Interstate Commerce Coast Guard and Border security Treasury and banking FBI, CIA Interstate transportation Airline security Social Security Medicare FCC Immigration IRS These are just a sample of the services that make our free society possible and enable business to operate.

That was the "original" question. Was it not?

Draginol Individuals do not provide things like national defense. They do not provide roads, internal security. They do not provide Social Security and Medicare. The services provided by the Federal Government allow people like you to be in business.

And this is what started it all.

Sorry but you never mentioned a specific business. I have no understanding of any laws that regulate an internet operation. I know nothing of that type of business. I have a Property Management business that is regulated by the civil rights acts of 1964 and 1968. I have to report earnings to the IRS. I don't pay social security or Medicare and have not paid into them for the last 10 or 12 years. I don't even know if stardock charges a fee or makes any money, so I can't answer your revised question.

No I didn't. But by inference the col did.

Draginol Individuals do not provide things like national defense. They do not provide roads, internal security. They do not provide Social Security and Medicare. The services provided by the Federal Government allow people like you to be in business.

He was replying to Brad.

And to the point, do you consider the IRS, "necessary" for you to be in business? I guess the answer would be no on the SS & Medicare.