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Reply #26 February 5, 2007 12:43:53 PM
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That question was asked of the members of the Intelligence Committee that did have access to the NIE.


This lie was debunked by me a while ago. I will say it agian. Before the vote to authorize the president to use force all members of Congress was afforded access to the NIE. Not the aids only the Congresspeople. I can't remember off hand but I think it was five or seven that acutally read the report and of that number onoy one voted against the authorization. If the media, who was touting nuclear bombs going off in America not the administration, reached more people than the administration then maybe you better think of getting rid of the media that mislead you and the Democrats.
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Reply #27 February 10, 2007 8:57:39 AM
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Yes members if the Intelligence committee and the very top leaders of Congress had access to the 2002 NIE. They were asked WHY they did not speak out about the intelligence that did not agree with what Bush and Cheney were telling Congress and the American people. Their answer was very simple-- IT WAS CLASSIFIED and we could not tell other members of Congress or the public about the intelligence that did not support the Bush/Cheney positions.

The IG Report released yesterday also confirms that Feith was sifting through the intelligence and using that which supported the claim we were in danger from Saddam and ignoring ANY Intel that did not support that view. That is what Gen Zinni said in his book. He was at the Pentagon and saw ALL the intelligence, that which Dough Feith office used and that which he buried. An example is the Al Tubes. Feith used the idea they could be part of centrifuges even though the most knowledgeable intelligence from the Dept of Energy said the tubes were not part of a Centrifuge but of Rocket motors. Feith used sources that were of questionable reliability and did not obtain any corroboration of that intelligence. The most important sources Feith used have been shown to be 100 % WRONG.

The IG Report supports the idea that Bush and Cheney wanted to invade Iraq, even before 9/11, and Feith and his operation in the Pentagon selectively used available intelligence to support that policy and ignored ANYTHING that said Saddam was not the danger that Bush and Cheney claimed. WE now have this new IG Report, the claims of three former CIA Section Chiefs that said Bush CHERRY PICKED the Intelligence and the confirmation of General Zinni who saw ALL the intelligence produced by both military and non-military intelligence agencies. There is no question Bush and Cheney made a mountain out of a Mole hill and took our country into WAR that was not justified by and ANY REAL threat to America!
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Reply #28 February 10, 2007 5:12:22 PM
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Yes members if the Intelligence committee and the very top leaders of Congress had access to the 2002 NIE.


This would be a nice story except it contradicts what the NYT printed. The Administration made the entire report available to all 535 members of congress prior to the vote. Most Democrats chose not to see it.

They were asked WHY they did not speak out about the intelligence that did not agree with what Bush and Cheney were telling Congress and the American people. Their answer was very simple-- IT WAS CLASSIFIED


This is fantastic! You are saying that because the report was classified they could not say that the report was a lie? That they were forced to vote knowing that it was wrong and knowing that people were going to die for this lie? Is it not the responsibility of Congress to handle the spending of money? If the report was wrong and they knew it all they had to do was cut off funds and say why without giving away classified material. What you suggest is that all 535 members of Congress are culpable for gross criminal negligence, but you want to charge the President? POLITICAL HACK!

WE now have this new IG Report, the claims of three former CIA Section Chiefs that said Bush CHERRY PICKED the Intelligence and the confirmation of General Zinni who saw ALL the intelligence produced by both military and non-military intelligence agencies.


You keep bringing up this crap. What section chiefs? What sections did they work?

Oh and if memory serves General Zinni was retired before the war started and was sent to calm down the Israeli Lebanon situation not the Iraqi situation. He failed and faded on out of the spot light.
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Reply #29 February 11, 2007 6:09:00 PM
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I guess the testimony in Court is also Crap; Read you IDIOT:

Libby Trial Sheds Light on White House
By TOM RAUM (Associated Press Writer)
From Associated Press
February 11, 2007 4:13 PM EST
WASHINGTON - Sworn testimony in the perjury trial of I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby has shone a spotlight on White House attempts to sell a gone-wrong war in Iraq to the nation and Vice President Dick Cheney's aggressive role in the effort.

Special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald rested his case against Cheney's former chief of staff on Thursday in a trial that has so far lasted 11 days. The defense planned to begin its presentation Monday.

The drama being played out in a Washington courtroom goes back in time to the early summer of 2003. The Bush administration was struggling to overcome growing evidence the mission in Iraq was anything but accomplished.

The claim about weapons of mass destruction that was used to justify the U.S.-led invasion in March 2003 had not been supported. Insurgent attacks were on the rise. Accusations were growing that the White House had distorted intelligence to rationalize the invasion.

Trial testimony so far - including eight hours of Libby's own audio-recordedd testimony to a grand jury in 2004 - suggest that a White House known as disciplined was anything but that.

What has emerged, instead, is:

-a vice president fixated on finding ways to debunk a former diplomat's claims that Bush misled the U.S. people in going to war and his suggestion Cheney might have played a role in suppressing contrary intelligence.

-a presidential press secretary kept in the dark on Iraq policy.

-top White House officials meeting daily to discuss the diplomat, former ambassador Joseph Wilson, and sometimes even his CIA-officer wife Valerie Plame.
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Reply #30 February 11, 2007 11:27:55 PM
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Sorry I did not see any testimony in your post. I did she the writer tell what he got from the testimony I saw no quotation marks just opinions. I know this is hard for you to grasp but just because a reporter says it happens does not make it so anymore. If he was reporting what happened in the trial why did he spend so much space reminding us about stuff that is not covered in the trial?
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Reply #31 February 12, 2007 10:26:37 AM
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Not less then eight people under oath have said Cheney, Libby and Rove were part of outing Mrs. Wilson. The shame is that ALL three are not trial for placing our CIA Agents in danger. Every contact Mrs. Wilson had in the past has been put in danger by what Cheney, Libby and Rove did. There is not one good reason what any of those three should have been telling the press about our CIA Agents!!!!!!!
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Reply #32 February 12, 2007 12:06:06 PM
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Not less then eight people under oath have said Cheney, Libby and Rove were part of outing Mrs. Wilson. The shame is that ALL three are not trial for placing our CIA Agents in danger. Every contact Mrs. Wilson had in the past has been put in danger by what Cheney, Libby and Rove did. There is not one good reason what any of those three should have been telling the press about our CIA Agents!!!!!!!


I have proven that your statements are lies on each point, yet you continue to bring up these lies with no facts that even hint of supporting your point of view. No agents were in danger or there would be a criminal investigation. Oh wait there was one and no one was charged! Mr. Wilson lied about who sent him on his mission and if his wife did not wish to be in the game of politics then she should not have gotten her husband the job. The fact that the Wilsons are listted in Washington's Who's who for years makes it hard to say she was outted by the administration. In short you are full of lies. Provide transcripts of the trial to back up your story or I will see them as your usual lies.
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Reply #33 February 12, 2007 2:01:09 PM
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Not less then eight people under oath have said Cheney, Libby and Rove were part of outing Mrs. Wilson. The shame is that ALL three are not trial for placing our CIA Agents in danger. Every contact Mrs. Wilson had in the past has been put in danger by what Cheney, Libby and Rove did. There is not one good reason what any of those three should have been telling the press about our CIA Agents!!!!!!!


Show these as FACTS! Please include testimony or find some other drum to beat!

Oh, I'm sorry you don't know what facts really are. Do you?
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Reply #34 February 12, 2007 11:54:33 PM
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Not less then eight people under oath have said Cheney, Libby and Rove were part of outing Mrs. Wilson. The shame is that ALL three are not trial for placing our CIA Agents in danger. Every contact Mrs. Wilson had in the past has been put in danger by what Cheney, Libby and Rove did. There is not one good reason what any of those three should have been telling the press about our CIA Agents!!!!!!!


For sake of argument, say that is all true. Why would Fitzgerald ignore them and go after Libby for an alleged fib?

You're starting to sound like Bahu - all hypermelodramatic bullshit.
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Reply #35 February 14, 2007 12:17:17 PM
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Why would Fitzgerald ignore them and go after Libby for an alleged fib?


When dealing with col Gene, never confuse his issues with facts or logic. It makes his kool-aid taste funny.
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