You have defined yourself.  Thank you.  Anything else you have to say, said behind the cover of darkeness and cowardess, just re-inforces the fact that you just stated of yourself.

I did not want to say it, but you did of yourself. Thanks for saving me the trouble.

Morningkill-

You are correct for the most part but there are nations that have disallowed rampant immigration or even more sanely have simply eliminated the vast social programs that allow immigrants to not integrate by speaking the language and holding actual jobs in their new nation. France (and Europe) burgeoning problem is directly related to their bloated social policies. Failure to integrate along with far too generous social services have led them there.

Yes. I say you're ignorant.  I also noticed you ignored the inconvenient Japanese part of it. Who was Japan trading with? Why is Japan doing so much better than any country in Europe?

I made no implication that Europe has been inventing anything recently.  You are switching your arguments midstream. You said that the US was based on European culture and values. Which I agree with (to a point). Therefore, why have they lost the lead?

Europe not only is not dominating in any major industry anymore, but they weren't even relevant in many of the major industries that have been created in the past half-century.  The question is, why?

I would agree with you that two major world wars is a major hic-up. But the last one was 70 years ago.  South Korea had a pretty major war in its backyard most recently. Would you like to do a GDP comparison of France and Italy compared to say South Korea per capita and look how it's doing? 50 years ago, South Korea was a land of peasant farmers with no industry. Now, they automobiles, computers, chips, and all kinds of other things that people use all the time. And it's not because it's "cheaper" (not the only reason).

In other words, World War II cannot be your crutch alone.

Translation: I have nothing to back up my claims so I'll resort to arrogance and insults. 

No wonder Europe is in decline. You're probably representative of the European mindset.  No one is more critical of the United States than other Americans. We are always critiquing ourselves, pointing out our flaws.  By contrast, there's little introspection in Europe from what I can see. Weaknesses are passed off as "wisdom and self-confidence".  (they say this as they slowly die off in the most literal sense).

Your inability to read is hardly my fault. I provided several links (they're the underline thingies in this article) to back up what I am saying.

I'll even help you out:

I'll sum it up in easy to understand words:

a) Europe is already significantly far behind the United States in per capita GDP. 

Europe is growing at a significantly slower pace than the United States in per capita GDP.

c) Europe's population is in decline and only immigration from largely Islamic countries is keeping the population decline from being really severe.

Therefore: Given time, Europe will be poor and Islamic compared to the rest of the world.

I also pointed out how uncommon things like microwave ovens and dryers and other basic household items are in European households. Given that the gap is growing, one can imagine the typical continental European living almost like a third-world person.  I know when I've visited the continent how much it made me think I was going back in time because of the lack of conveniences.

While you're looking at that link, you might want to look at the plethora of other links provided in this thread and in the original article.

Wow. I mean...WOW. What a mind boggling statement.  I've heard a lot of conspiracy theories as to why the US invaded Iraq but this is a new one. 

Seriously, do you actually believe this or are you tossing this out as just troll bait? I mean, do you REALLY think that the US is worried about European "expansion"?  Are you actually aware that the European economy is shrinking relative to that of the United States and other major economies? These aren't opinions, these are statistical facts that anyone who remotely follows this stuff is aware of.

The gap between Europe and the United States is widening but not in Europe's favor.  If the nations of Europe were American states, they'd be amongst the poorest here.

WOW. This is really a great discusion because it really does highlight the different mindsets.  DO you realize what you've just said?  You look at the world's resources as truly finite as in very very limited.  WOW.

Looking back to the start of the 20th century... We didn't have automobiles, we didn't have airplanes, we didn't have computers, TVs, movies, phones, nuclear power, blood transfusions, antibiotics, and countless other things. Heck, we didn't even have the "fossil fuel" industry which you seem so convinced we're going to run out of.

And you're trying to argue what resources we'll be dealing with in another 50 years? Heck, odds are we'll have fusion power or god knows what.

But if you truly believe what you wrote above, I think we have our answer as to why Europe is becoming irrelevant and apathetic as their culture and people are being overrung by immigrants who see them as worthless infidels. 

What you have just written describes the attitude of the depressed retiree. They have a fixed income and they are conserving all their resources in order to stave off death. But in their hearts, they know death is coming.

In the United States, our culture is that we have a "tenner in our pocket" and we'll use that $10 to make $20 and then $40 and then $80.

And that, my friend, is the key difference between us. 

There's some great stuff here. Really representative of the European mindset. Let's go through them.

Yep. I eat fresh fuits and vegetables every day. They're a lot less expensive here than they are in Europe btw.  But I wanted to also note that you take pride in the fact that Europeans don't have modern conveniences like microwaves and that you think microwaves are primarily about making "freeze dried packets".

I know you don't realize this but you sound like the old guy who refuses to get into a car because his trusty horse-drawn carriage is much better.

Islam isn't a race. I'm not sure you realized this. But they're not. A Turk is nothing like a Persian and is nothing like a Pakistani which is nothing like an Arab. They are all different races. A Pakistani, btw, is actaully (racially speaking) caucasian other than darker skinned but otherwise is as European in racial structure as any German.

But you've successfully identified yourself as a left-winger. I say that because when intellectually up against the wall, the left always tries to use the "racism" card to tar their enemies (insinuating that I'm some sort of racist by arguing that I fear the downfall of the "Aryans"?).  As a reminder, the only guys who got together to exterminate millions of people using their best industrial techniques to do so efficiently were Europeans. So I'd be careful about tossing around implications of racism. 

As for Islam as a culture. Yes. I think it's inferior. I think it's a grotesque culture. Wherever you find Islam, you find increased violence. Worldwide.

Islamic peoples don't value individuality, the rights of women, etc.  Islamic countries, worldwide, are amongst the poorest of all. And why shouldn't they be? They don't let half their population excel (women).

So to put it delicately, the more Islamic Europe gets, the more like other Islamic regions I expect Europe to become like.

Um no. I said they're too self involved to do anything to that doesn't involve putting their energy into themselves. 

In other words, they're too into what makes them personally happy to give up the luxury and freedom that one has to in order to have children.  Being a father of 3, I can tell you that it requires a lot of sacrifice by my wife and I to raise our children.  Europeans, like secular Americans in this respect, see life as being very finite and hence don't want to give up their freedom and standard of living to raise children.

Missed this from earlier:

I noticed you didn't link to any statistics in this.  Educate me. Heck, educate all of us. What is the per-capita murder rate in the United States. BTW, I know you didn't look it up because you're totally wrong. We're not even in the top 10.  There are European countries with higher per-capita murder rates (Eastern European countries like Lithuania have 10 per 100,000).

But let's say .7% of the US population is locked up. So 7 out of 1,000 children end up as criminal. The big reason is that we lock up drug offenders (which Europeans don't tend to enforce as much). 

My answer is: So what? 

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that life is better than non-life.  Europe is slowly disappearing and your answer is that a tiny percentage of Americans commit murder? And that this is your evidence that Americans don't raise good children? 

Yea, Europeans are so happy that they're twice as likely as Americans to commit suicide. Given how depressing your outlook seems to be, no wonder. If I only had a "tenner" in my pocket and my life was about conserving it, I'd probably be pretty depressed too.

Incidentally, what "stats" have you mentioned other than ones you made up? Why should I believe any stat you give when you made up the murder rate stat?