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Obsession, A FOX special

November 6, 2006 11:43:11 AM from JoeUser ForumsJoeUser Forums

 Yesterday I made the mistake of watching a Fox news special called obsession the militant Islamic threat.

To watch that much hatred was upsetting to say the least, it was an one hour hate-fest towards not just America, but the west and Israel.

It seems that the Islamic Fascist are using the Nazi game plan. Hitler understood that Germany needed a unifying force after there defeat in WW1, So he started blaming all of Germany's ills on the JEWS. It worked and he did unify Germany.

The terrorists are using the same game plan and it too is working, blaming all the ills of Muslim countries on the United States {the great Satan} and to a lessor degree, Israel.

To watch Many thousands of people scream with such hatred "death to America" is frightening to say the least.

Mein Kampf and Jihad mean basically the same thing {my Struggle}.

We are allowing the Islamic terrorist to use the freedoms of the WEST AGAINST US. They say right out loud for the world to hear... the United States freedom of speech is one of our greatest weapons against them, use it!.

America really needs to wake up and See what kind of struggle we are in, these people are not kidding when they say "The flag of Islam will fly above the White house and parliament in England"

 

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Reply #1 November 6, 2006 12:17:49 PM
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Very good! I like your comparison. It is simple and needs no stretch to make it, and is absolutely true.

And so many said that it would never happen again. And yet less than 50 years later, it has.
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Reply #2 November 6, 2006 12:28:36 PM
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Reply By: Dr. GuyPosted: Monday, November 06, 2006
Very good! I like your comparison. It is simple and needs no stretch to make it, and is absolutely true.

And so many said that it would never happen again. And yet less than 50 years later, it has.

The scarey thought is that most americans do NOT SEE the threat.

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Reply #3 November 6, 2006 12:40:13 PM
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The scarey thought is that most americans do NOT SEE the threat.


That is scary, but not new. Most did not see it 60 years ago either.
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Reply #4 November 6, 2006 1:09:55 PM
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Question, I've heard that you feel that liberalism/liberal thought is messing up the US.

How much do you dislike it?

To watch Many thousands of people scream with such hatred "death to America" is frightening to say the least.


It's been the same rally cry for years. Once they really bring the death, then i'll get worried. Until then, they're full of hot air.

"The flag of Islam will fly above the White house and parliament in England"


Likewise: The banner of intolerance will wrap the earth up. It will consume it from the inside out - eating it fromt he inside out.
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Reply #5 November 6, 2006 1:12:07 PM
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Reply By: SilentPoetPosted: Monday, November 06, 2006
Question, I've heard that you feel that liberalism/liberal thought is messing up the US.

How much do you dislike it?

alot but not enough to kill liberals or hate them even

quote]It's been the same rally cry for years. Once they really bring the death, then i'll get worried. Until then, they're full of hot air

that is exactly what they want you to think, that they are no "real" threat.

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Reply #6 November 6, 2006 1:17:56 PM
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that is exactly what they want you to think, that they are no "real" threat.


*shrugs* It's what I feel. I've dealt with peopel who only deal with hot air, and they, and those i dealt with - never acted on their threats, and have yet to.

alot but not enough to kill liberals or hate them even


Why? What is wrong with it?

Why is it, that people like me, who ideally, want things to work out.

I want people to have living wages. I want people to be safe, happy. I want everything to work out for the good of everyone. I want peace.

What's so wrong with that? What is wrong with striving for it, working for it?

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Reply #7 November 6, 2006 1:24:10 PM
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(Citizen)SilentPoetNovember 6, 2006 13:17:56


that is exactly what they want you to think, that they are no "real" threat.


*shrugs* It's what I feel. I've dealt with peopel who only deal with hot air, and they, and those i dealt with - never acted on their threats, and have yet to.


hot air?? geeze lucas have you been paying attention? twin towers no more, london bombing, spain bombing, bali bombing, beheading, AND ON AND ON.
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Reply #8 November 6, 2006 1:30:18 PM
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hot air?? geeze lucas have you been paying attention? twin towers no more, london bombing, spain bombing, bali bombing, beheading, AND ON AND ON.


Okay, granted. I didnt choose my words carefully on that.

What I mean, is: Yes, they are a threat, but...they are not as big as they think/we think. At least, IMO.

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Reply #9 November 6, 2006 1:42:20 PM
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"It seems that the Islamic Fascist are using the Nazi game plan. Hitler understood that Germany needed a unifying force after there defeat in WW1, So he started blaming all of Germany's ills on the JEWS. It worked and he did unify Germany."


Islamic fascists are the offspring of nazism. They were aligned with the Nazis. Even the secular fascists, like Hussein's baathist party, has roots that lead back to the nazi party. Arafat lauded nazi collaborators as heroes.

It's un-PC to point it out to some, but it is true.
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Reply #10 November 6, 2006 1:45:12 PM
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BakerStreetNovember 6, 2006 13:42:20


It seems that the Islamic Fascist are using the Nazi game plan. Hitler understood that Germany needed a unifying force after there defeat in WW1, So he started blaming all of Germany's ills on the JEWS. It worked and he did unify Germany."


Islamic fascists are the offspring of nazism. They were aligned with the Nazis. Even the secular fascists, like Hussein's baathist party, has roots that lead back to the nazi party. Arafat lauded nazi collaborators as heroes.

It's un-PC to point it out to some, but it is true.


it is the un pc that we here in America seem to be stuck in that will be our undoing.
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Reply #11 November 6, 2006 1:46:38 PM
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(Citizen)SilentPoetNovember 6, 2006 13:30:18


hot air?? geeze lucas have you been paying attention? twin towers no more, london bombing, spain bombing, bali bombing, beheading, AND ON AND ON.


Okay, granted. I didnt choose my words carefully on that.

What I mean, is: Yes, they are a threat, but...they are not as big as they think/we think. At least, IMO.


there are over one billion members of Islam the most recent polls show that somewhere from 10 to 15 percent agree with the terrorist or support them or are terrorists themselves, do the math.
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Reply #12 November 6, 2006 1:53:37 PM
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"What I mean, is: Yes, they are a threat, but...they are not as big as they think/we think. At least, IMO."


Evil prevails where good men do nothing. There could be a hundred times as many who disagree, but if they produce no balancing effect, how do they cancel out the evil? No doubt most people in Iraq want peace, but if they hide in their houses and let evil men rule their nation, what is the real outcome of their goodness?
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Reply #13 November 6, 2006 1:59:44 PM
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there are over one billion members of Islam the most recent polls show that somewhere from 10 to 15 percent agree with the terrorist or support them or are terrorists themselves, do the math.


So, guilt by association.

Okay, so...you're a republican. Does that mean that you agree with everything they do?

You're jewish, does that mean that you agree with everything they do?

Everyone has a different mindset, they don't see things the same way we do.

Not only that, but now polls matter? Puh-lease.

Evil prevails where good men do nothing. There could be a hundred times as many who disagree, but if they produce no balancing effect, how do they cancel out the evil? No doubt most people in Iraq want peace, but if they hide in their houses and let evil men rule their nation, what is the real outcome of their goodness?


Evil happens. Evil exists. As long as there are humans, it always will.

It's called survival. Family, friends, self first. Making sure they are okay. I don't think you, or i myself, get what it is like there. We'll never see it from their point of view.

Also, how about crime? Are you doing something about it? Are you letting it happen?

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Reply #14 November 6, 2006 2:15:59 PM
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I haven't witnessed any, nor have I been privy to any before they happen. If I were aware and stood by, I'd be party to it.

Do you really think people aren't aware of who is doing what in Iraq? In Gaza? Odd that they win elections. When people vote for Hezbollah and Hamas, you think they don't believe it when Hezbollah and Hamas themselves take responsibility for terror?
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Reply #15 November 6, 2006 2:19:19 PM
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Do you really think people aren't aware of who is doing what in Iraq? In Gaza? Odd that they win elections. When people vote for Hezbollah and Hamas, you think they don't believe it when Hezbollah and Hamas themselves take responsibility for terror?


I accept the fact that they have a different mindset.

What you and I see as wrong, and such....may not be wrong in their eyes.

I'm not them, so i can't say for sure - this is just what I see, in my eyes.

Everyone has a different colored spy glass.

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Reply #16 November 6, 2006 2:22:29 PM
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pfft, more "i'm okay, you're okay" garbage. You'd sit here and make voting for terrorists just a 'different mindset'. Don't you feel the least bit obligated to call what is wrong, wrong?

You pick and choose when to see things through your eyes, and when to 'say for sure'. Funny you don't have the same opinion in all your politics.
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Reply #17 November 6, 2006 2:33:11 PM
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You pick and choose when to see things through your eyes, and when to 'say for sure'. Funny you don't have the same opinion in all your politics.


Really, who so? I never noticed that.

Don't you feel the least bit obligated to call what is wrong, wrong?


I do, when I feel it is wrong.

Do I feel terrorism is wrong? Yes.

pfft, more "i'm okay, you're okay" garbage.


Hey, it's my beliefs, no one has to like it. Like i say, "live and let live."

You'd sit here and make voting for terrorists just a 'different mindset'.



That reminds me of something...

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ter‧ror‧ism  /ˈtɛrəˌrɪzəm/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[ter-uh-riz-uhm] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation

–noun 1. the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, esp. for political purposes.
2. the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization.
3. a terroristic method of governing or of resisting a government.


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[Origin: 1785–95; terror + -ism]
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American Heritage Dictionary - Cite This Source ter·ror·ism (tr-rzm) Pronunciation Key
n.
The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.

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Main Entry: ter·ror·ism
Pronunciation: 'ter-&r-"i-z&m
Function: noun
1 : the unlawful use or threat of violence esp. against the state or the public as a politically motivated means of attack or coercion
2 : violent and intimidating gang activity —ter·ror·ist /-ist/ adj or noun —ter·ror·is·tic /"ter-&r-'is-tik/ adjective

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terrorism

n : the calculated use of violence (or threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals that are political or religious or ideological in nature; this is done through intimindation or coercion or instilling fear [syn: act of terrorism, terrorist act]



So, what about the terror that our own government does?

Is that justifiable?

Do we sit on our hands while it happens? Do we only look outside our country for terror?

The fact is, terrorism occurs, in various forms and degrees, every day. By our government, other governments, by people,etc...

Example: The camps here in the USA, that trains "counter terror" officials, in how to get answers from people.



Can you honestly say, that a person deserves to be tortured, or terrorized in order to obtain answers? No matter who they are, or what they believe?

I for one do not.

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Reply #18 November 6, 2006 2:44:42 PM
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(Citizen)SilentPoetNovember 6, 2006 14:33:11


lucas!! you are being arguementative and obtuse.

these people are out to kill you, me everyone that does not agree with them, that is the issue. not whether we do bad shit, the truth is I do not really think America is so bad, this is one subject that seperates liberals from conservatives, liberals blame america, cons do not.
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Reply #19 November 6, 2006 2:54:05 PM
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lucas!! you are being arguementative and obtuse.


Ya, I can be stubborn with my views. Still, I'm always open to other ideas, etc...

these people are out to kill you, me everyone that does not agree with them, that is the issue. not whether we do bad shit, the truth is I do not really think America is so bad, this is one subject that seperates liberals from conservatives, liberals blame america, cons do not.


I realize that MM. I differentiate between those who terrorize, and those who live under them. Not everyone who lives under terror, are terrorists or to be attributed to it, in my opinion.

I blame america, for what it does - that i disagree with. I attribute blame where it belongs.

The issue is terror, and I merely looked at another facet of it.

You are generalizing, and I don't appreciate that.

I only 'blame' the US, for what it is responsible for. Whether it is: causing trouble in one form or another, terror, whatever.

If it is responsible for it, then it is to be blamed, and held accountable.

Just like the terrorists.

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Reply #20 November 6, 2006 2:54:57 PM
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Oh they're just a bunch of third world people who are expressing their angst, they don't really mean to hurt us. I mean, despite all of the bombings and assorted other terrorist attacks that take place around the world (over 500 each year) they aren't really a threat to anyone. We should just sit down to dinner with them and talk it over. I'm sure we can come to an understanding and then give each other a nice warm hug.

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Reply #21 November 6, 2006 2:58:38 PM
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We should just sit down to dinner with them and talk it over. I'm sure we can come to an understanding and then give each other a nice warm hug.


IF it is a possiblity, without the -erm- side effects, then yes.

Oh they're just a bunch of third world people who are expressing their angst, they don't really mean to hurt us. I mean, despite all of the bombings and assorted other terrorist attacks that take place around the world (over 500 each year) they aren't really a threat to anyone.


Heh, you know...your sarcasm was so close to be funny. I mean, it was very close.

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Reply #22 November 6, 2006 4:12:52 PM
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Reply By: MasonMPosted: Monday, November 06, 2006
Oh they're just a bunch of third world people who are expressing their angst, they don't really mean to hurt us. I mean, despite all of the bombings and assorted other terrorist attacks that take place around the world (over 500 each year) they aren't really a threat to anyone. We should just sit down to dinner with them and talk it over. I'm sure we can come to an understanding and then give each other a nice warm hug.

exactly, when Americas start massing together to the tune of millions screaming DEATH TO ISLAM, THEN i MIGHT LISTEN TO THESE FEEL GOOD ARGUEMENTS.

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