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Should We Expect President Bush To Solve All our Problems?

Should We Expect President Bush to Solve ALL Our Problems?

NO!

Should we expect the president to have made progress on some of the more important issues?

YES!

When I ask Bush supporters to DOCUMENT the improvement of major issues that confronted him upon taking office there is DEAD SILENCE. When I ask his supporters about issues that today are MAJOR problems that his policies created, such Iraq and the return of the Annual Budget Deficit, there is DEAD SILENCE.

The truth is that Bush has not helped resolve a single issue that faced him in January 2001 and has made most of them worse while adding new problems that future presidents will be forced to solve.

When GWB became President I did not have any great expectations as to what he would accomplish for America. That is because when I looked at his achievements prior to running for the White House all I saw was failure or at best mediocre performance. The ONLY thing GWB seemed to be good at was Politics!

Everything Bush and his policies have done CONFIRM my initial expectations!

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He solved more than Clinton

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Document what Bush has solved or materially improved!

How about:

Health care, Energy, Border Security, Immigration, Trade Deficit, Education, Foreign Policy, Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Environment, deficit for starters.

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How many of our troops were killed in war during the Clinton Administration? How much did Clinton add to the National Debt?

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Draginol

Join Date 03/2001

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1) There have been zero terrorist attacks against the United States since 9/11.

2) The tax rate on all income brackets has been decreased.

3) He has removed Saddam Hussein in Iraq from power

4) He has made public schools take standardized tests in order to determine how well schools are performing (no child left behind).

5) He has put two very high quality jurors on the supreme court.

YOU may not like the side effects. But I prefer the results. For instance, I prefer the situation we have in Iraq today than what we had prior to removing Saddam. The difference is that back then, the average American (or European) wasn't paying attention to the mess we had there with US planes having to patrol a no-fly zone, getting shot at, Saddam sending money to terrorists in the West Bank, undermining US economic interests throughout the gulf (such as refusing to sell petrol in dollars), etc.

YOU may not like that we have a deficit now but I prefer having lower taxes. Those lower taxes resulted in jobs being created (including the jobs that paid for the development of this site).

And so forth.

Now, name what Bill Clinton actually did while in office. Not what things occurred while he was in office (i.e. the good economy we had while Clinton was in office had nothing to do with him just as the Soviet Union collapsing while Bush Sr. was in office had nothign to do with him).

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How many of our troops were killed in war during the Clinton Administration?

About 7500 troops were killed during the 8 years Slick Willie held office. 4302 were killed during his first 4 years and an addtional 3198 were killed during his last 4 years. You can refute this if you wish col, but these figures came from a report compiled by the Department of Defense's Manpower Data Center.

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drmiler

How many were because of WAR? To the best of my knowledge we were not at war during the Clinton years and I do not believe your data. There are some accidents but not 7,500 deaths. As usual you are full of BS.

How about documenting the things that Bush has accomplished. STAY ON SUBJET just like you tell me.

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drmiler

I sent the E-Mail below to the DOD to confirm your 7,500 American military deaths:

I have been told your agency reported 7,500 American Military Deaths from 1993-2001. Where can I located the Military deaths data and are the death listed by cause?

Gene P. Abel
COL, USAR Ret.

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Anyone that believes the situation in Iraq is better then when Saddam was in power is not looking at the facts. Iraq is close to all out civil war. There is less electricity, water and oil then under Saddam. We have spent 2,650 lives over 19,000 injuries an as much as a Trillion tax dollars and have MORE enemies in the Moslem world then before we invaded Iraq. We have lost BIG TIME!

We borrowed the money to give tax cuts and as the Comptroller General documented the tax cuts had not generated enough new revenue to replace the lost revenue. Thus the tax cuts have cost us money and we will be paying the interest on the money we borrowed to give tax cuts until we pay back that money.

We removed Saddam who posed NO DANGER to the U.S. and the cost has been 2,650 dead, 19,000 injured and as much as a Trillion dollars. That was not a good trade!

He passed the no child left behind act and then failed to provide the money Bush said was needed to help the students predicated on the test results. Also the model Bush used, the Houston Public School system lied about their results and the entire plan was biased on a system in Houston that said they had 100% graduation rates when the actual graduation rates in Houston were 50%.

Only time will prove the value of his court appointments.

What did Clinton do?

We had the BEST economic period during his administration.

We ended 20 years of Annual Budget deficits in 2000.

The United States was not at war during the Clinton period.

We had policies that were much more centrist and much more in line with where the MAJORITY of Americans are politically.

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Daiwa

Join Date 07/2001

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What did Clinton do?

We had the BEST economic period during his administration.

We ended 20 years of Annual Budget deficits in 2000.

The United States was not at war during the Clinton period.

I guess the question needs to be repeated for you Gene:

"What did Clinton DO?"

NOT "What happened while Clinton was in office?"

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Draginol

Join Date 03/2001

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Not to be callous but why should we care if there's less electricity in Iraq now than there was in 1999?

We've not spent anywhere near a trillion dollars on Iraq, please.

I have looked at the facts, I just have drawn different conclusions. I do not measure success based on how happy Iraqis are.

I listed a series of things Bush has accomplished that I believe show progress. You don't agree with those things which isn't surprising.

By contrast, you then list events that occurred during the Clinton administration that have nothing to do with Clinton. EVEN after I wrote:

What specific ACTIONS did Clinton take that made progress.

Incidentally, the US was repeatedly attacked during the Clinton administration -- from Somalia to the USS Cole to our embassies to the twin towers (first time around). The difference is we did nothing back. Since 9/11, there's been zilch of that kind of thing. THAT is progress.

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Clinton kept spending under control far better then Bush and did not cut taxes and create a deficit.

Clinton did not start a war that coat American lives for no reason.

Clinton supported policies that were centrist and more in line with what the MAJORITY of Americans wanted. He did not just pander to the left like Bush pandered to the right.

That should answer your question!

The only reason there has not been a successful attack on the U.S. since 9/11 ids because we have put a lot more into our defense then before 9/11. It is not because there is not as much danger or people that hate us. In fact we have more enemies since we invaded Iraq and supported Israel then before 9/11.

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The issue with the electric, water etc is how the people of Iraq think of how well things are going. We have lost all sense of being liberators or making their lives better. The political leaders we support want us to SATY IN POWER. If you asked the average person in Iraq what they think of the American occupation you would not like the answer.

I go back to the question:

Of the major issues that Bush faced when he took office (Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, energy, trade, border security etc.) show me where he has resolved or substantially improved ANY of these issues? In fact they have ALL gotten far worse since Jan 2001.

You mentioned jobs. To be at the same place we were in 2000 we need another 1 million jobs to be created. The jobs being created pay LESS then the jobs lost during the first three years of the Bush administration and have fewer benefits. The number of people with out health insurance has jumped to 47 Million which is 2 million more then when Bush took office. Fewer companies have pension plans and the savings rate is at the lowest level since 1930 because people are pressed to meet their higher bills with less income growth.

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draginol

As to the cost of the Iraq war. When I said a Trillion that is what has been estimated as the final cost. To date we have spent over 300 billion. There is another 200 Billion to replace the equipment destroyed in Iraq. There is the cost of all the injured. That does not count how much we continue to spend every day. We could have done a lot better with that money then to trade a dictator for a civil war. If we spent as much as we spent in Iraq to remove all the other evil dictators in this world, we would be bankrupt!

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Let's not forget, Gene, that Clinton sent our troops into Serbia, with no exit strategy, where they stayed well into Bush's first term. In fact, might we still be there? I'm actually not sure.
At any rate, he sent American troops into harm's way at the behest of the UN.
I'd much rather American troops be serving strictly American interests, whatever they may be, rather than aiding the UN Mafia as leg-breakers, enforcers and hitmen. Wouldn't you?

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Draginol

Join Date 03/2001

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We still have troops in Kosovo.

As for the money to remove Saddam - well worth it in my opinion. How much has been spent in Kosovo? How did that help us at all?

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How many American Military were killed in combat during the Clinton years? How much money was spent supporting wars during the Clinton years?

Bush admitted to Brian Williams in the interview for CNN that Saddam had NOTHING to do with 9/11. Why did we invade Iraq?

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Another useless article, where that button that takes points away from this article?

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Charles.C

You are in denial just like Bush. He is spending tax dollars to tell people that he was justified for attacking a country that had NOTHING to do with 9/11. A country that was NO danger to the United States. A country when we attacked them was not part of the war on terrorism.

People do not accept what Bush is saying and the results on the ground clearly show Iraq is sliding into more and more violence. Bush will go down as the WORST President this country EVER had and the next president will be stuck fixing the things that GWB screwed up!!!!!!

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Draginol

Join Date 03/2001

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How is this relevant to your discussion at all?

That is like saying that Herbert Hoover was a better President than FDR because fewer American troops were killed under Hoover. Is that your implication?

What does Saddam having something to do with 9/11 or not (he did not) have to do with your point? Many of us wanted Saddam removed when Clinton was in office. Clinton should have removed Saddam in 1998. 9/11 just clinched it that we didn't want to have open enemies in the Middle East anymore.

I believed that Saddam was a threat to the United States. A long term threat mostly but a threat nevertheless. This isn't related to 9/11 only that 9/11 showed that we should not wait for threats to fully manifest.

And sorry but only a total idiot would argue that Bush is the worst President we've ever had. You really do make the stereotype of unhinged moonbat when you say things like that. We've had some pretty deplorable Presidents. Bush worse than President Buchanan? I don't think so. Worse than Polk? I mean some of the Presidents of the United STates have been truly deplorable regardless of partisanship.

I personally think that LBJ was amongst the worst presidents in terms of creating long-term damage for the United States.

I notice still that in your own topic you still have been unable to list things that Clinton DID during his Presidency.

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How was Saddam a threat to the United States?

He had no military with the capability of offensive operations. He had no WMD. There are a lot of other dictators, like in North Korea, and Iran that were FAR greater threats than Saddam. WHY DID BUSH invade IRQA?

Saddam had NOTHING to do with 9/11. There were no terrorists groups operating in Iraq before we invaded. We allowed the Terrorists groups to begin operating in Iraq AFTER we defeated Saddam. Bush made Iraq part of the War on Terrorism and now we can not control the violence between the factions in Iraq. Just like Powell said—We broke it and now it is ours and we do not know what to do with it!

Great leadership President Bush!

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The truth is that Bush has not helped resolve a single issue that faced him in January 2001 and has made most of them worse while adding new problems that future presidents will be forced to solve.

Can you list those issues Bush has not resolved in the same clear manner as draginol listed what Bush has done?

You do thrive on Bush bashing don't you? Do you have any other interests?

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For a start try these issues:

Reduce the Trade deficit. (It was about $400 Billion in 2001)

Balance the Budget ( It was balanced when Bush took office)

Fund the Prescription Drug Plan

Enforce immigration laws and STOP illegal immigration

Provide SOLUTIONS to fund Social Security (the Bush plan did not address the problem of how to pay baby boomers their benefits)

Rebuild the Gulf including a levy system that will protect the area from Cat 5 storms.

Fund the replacement of our military equipment that was destroyed in Iraq.

Bring the size of the Active military to meet the deployments.

Fund his own No Child Left Behind Act (it s $24 Billion below the amount Bush set as needed to implement this law)

Provide leadership that result in an Energy plan that actually reduces our dependence on foreign oil (Bush told us that is the problem now where is his plan to reduce our dependence on foreign oil?)

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There were no terrorists groups operating in Iraq before we invaded.

Prove that statement.

Rebuild the Gulf including a levy system that will protect the area from Cat 5 storms

You really are in fantasy land. That is impossible. I am not an engineer but I have a pretty good idea of what the mechanics of a levy are.

To protect from the storm surge of a Cat 5 the walls would have to be twice as high and three times as deep. That feat is simply impossible.

You still can't name anything that Clinton was responsible for while in office.

Clinton is the reason that 12 and 13 yr olds think oral sex is not sex. Clinton was a morally bankrupt president and that frankly is the reason that twice America didn't want another liberal in office. I want a president that says what he will do and does it not says what he will do and then sticks his smoke up some slut’s cooch.

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Just John

Then explain how the Dutch managed to do just that in their low lands? It is not that it can not be done it is that we have not committed the resources to get the job done!

Clinton is not the president Bush is. It is for Bush to address the issues I listed above.

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Draginol

Join Date 03/2001

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And we're on the 25th comment and we still don't have from the original poster a single thing that Clinton actually DID during his 8 years.

As for why we're in Iraq:

Why we fight in Iraq

I've written about it so many times over the years so I'm not going to waste time repeating it here where you'll just ignore it (given that no one here has said that Iraq had anything to do with 9/11 and yet you keep acting like that is something significant).

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