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American Hypocrisy, Israeli Criminality, and Christian Cant

Or, why I loathe Israel and its actions

Rightwinger, with whom I normally sympathise, recently posted an article (Link) concerning the current conflict in Lebanon. What follows is the comment I posted on that thread. Since I took a profoundly anti-Israeli, anti-Christian stance, I fully expect Rightwinger to delete my response from his thread (as he has every right to do).

However, I am so incensed, so angered and revolted by the gist of what he had to say, so profoundly and utterly disgusted by the responses of KFC in particular, that I am determined that my response shall not simply disappear into the ether of the blogsphere. I am determined it shall have an independent existence in its own right: hence what follows, which is an exact reproduction of my thoughts as I posted them to Rightwingers thread.

There are certain aspects of the Israeli action in Lebanon that I admire and respect. In particular its ruthless prosecution of its perceived interests - a ruthlessness that could very well be emulated by the present (and future) governments of America. I deny no one's right to defend his life, the lives of those he loves; nor even his right to defend his property. What I condemn in Israel is not the ruthlessness of its actions, but its hypocrisy. I condemn its perpetual refusal to acknowledge and obey the Resolutions of the UN Security Council. I condemn its practice of apartheid; I condemn its murder of Palestinian children; I condemn its expropriation of land, its illegal incarceration of individuals denied due legal process; its kidnapping of those who speak out against it; its sanctioning, promotion, and support for militias responsible for the most heinous and atrocious crimes - including the crucifixion, while alive, of women and children in the massacres that took place at the Sabra and Shatila refugee camps.

I condemn its use of tanks and automatic weapons aginst stone-throwing youths and children; I condemn its illegal expropriation of land; I condemn with my whole soul the entire process, an example non pareil of racial hegemony and the vilest racial prejudice, wherby the State of Israel 'treats' with those populations unfortunate enough to be subject to its mis-rule. And I condemn also the unthinking, supine, anti-democratic and unjust support which the USA provides to Israel, since that support is largely, and directly, responsible for the continuing anarchy and unmitigated suffering of the peoples of the Middle East.

I say, without equivocation, that it is to America's perpetual shame that it provides such support to Israel in its repugnant, criminal acts, when the USA could and ought to compel the murdering dogs of Israel to take part in honest and just negotiations for a lasting settlement in that region. Israel is America's beggar. Without the continuing support of the USA Israel could not have acheived, nor could it maintain, its position of intransigent barbarity and criminality with respect to the other nations of the region. Israel could not be what it presently is without the continuing support of the govenment of the United States of America - which makes of every American citizen a willing accomplice in the murder of every Palestinian child killed by the State of Israel.

I accept no excuses. I accept no justification. There can be no acceptable reason, based upon the sufferings of a nation in the past, for the suffering inflicted upon innocents in the present - especially when the nation responsible claims, as a consequence of its past miseries, to be the custodian of the moral conscience of the world.

I have already testified that I accept the right of everyone to defend their lives when they honestly understand their lives to be under direct threat. Who is more directly threatened than those who suffer the tyrrany of Israel? Whose land is it that is constantly stolen? Whose leaders are constantly under threat of murder by Gunship? Whose children are killed in the streets of their hometowns by the armed military of an occupying power?

Do not bleat to me about terrorism and the right of the Israeli devils to defend themselves. There is no greater exponent of State terrorism in the Middle East, no more accomplished murderers, than the State of Israel. If I could I would expunge its vile existence from the face of the Earth, and I wholeheartedly support any act of resistance against its tyrrany. And if such acts of resistance are also barborous, and I do not deny that they are, then remember this; those who hold the balance of economic, military, and political power in any given situation are those who ought to use those resources in pursuit of a just settlement of any dispute. If they do not then those who oppose them, who are far weaker than they, ought not to be condemned if they, too, respond to barbarism with barbarism.

May God remember and hold to account all those who are responsible for the horrors which occur, every day, in that miserably unfortunate region of the world.

Bearing all of this in mind, here is what I found it in me to say to both Rightwinger and that vile creature, KFC:

"I loathe Israel. I abominate, despise, detest, and would happily dance on the grave of every reeking Israeli corpse (just so you know where I stand). I loathe even more deeply those (primarily) American apologists for a regime that was birthed in terrostic violence (ask the widows of those murdered British servicemen killed by the likes of the prating hypocrites Begin and Ben Gurion). Any regime that would routinely murder children (dear me they're throwing stones again, let's fire up the automatic weapons; after all, they might scratch the paintwork on the tank) and excuse such vile acts is not fit to be tolerated by civil human beings.

I swear, I smile whenever I hear that yet another of these murderous devils has been slaughtered and had I my way in such things Israel would, indeed, long since have been eradicated from the face of the Earth.

I grow ever more nauseated by the apologetics of apparently intelligent people for a regime which routinely practices extra-judicial killing by Gunship; which routinely targets the civilian populations of other nations for slaughter simply because they are unwilling to kowtow to the filthy swine that makes national policy of land expropriation, illegal incarceration, kidnapping (anyone remember Vannunu? I thought not) and which blithely sponsors the crucifixion of women and children because they happen to be of the wrong ethnicity (no one remembers Sabra and Shatila either, right?)

Do not come bleating to me of the wrongs suffered by the Jews throughout the ages. Are the Palestinians of the generation suffering illegal occupation in Gaza responsible for the deaths in the extermination camps? No. Are they responsible for the Czarist pograms in Russia? No. Are they in any way culpable for any past wrong done to the Jewish nation? No.

But still the sympathisers with State terror, the apologists for apartheid, the excusers of child murder, prate endlessly of the wrongs suffered by Jews in the past; as if this excuses, or worse still, legitimates, the wrongs perpetrated every day against those innocent of any other crime than being Palestinian now, today. Crimes perpetrated by those who possess overwhelmingly greater resources, who use F16 Fighters to bomb neighborhoods devoid of even the remotest intimation of terrorist activity, who claim to be bastions of civilization and democracy.

But what disgusts me beyond measure is the palpable xenophobia, the stinking self-seeking prejudice of abominations such as KFC. In the name of Christ they claim justification for child-killers because, so they believe, they bring Armageddon (and their own supposed sanctification thereby) that little bit closer. In the name of Christianity, and the supposed 'rapture' of like-minded hypocrites and idolaters, they espouse the exact antithesis of Christian morality. May your God remember it against you, KFC, and judge you accordingly, along with all your fellow-travellers in hypocrisy, cant, and moral perversion who also claim to be 'Christians'. You revolt me beyond any capacity of words to make plain.

The one nation on earth that could make a positive, creative, and ultimately successful intervention in that wracked and wretched region by compelling the rabid dogs of Israel to negotiate honestly, the USA, will not do so. It is the greatest shame, and the true mark of Cain, that America refuses to do what it so easily could: refuses, because it is besotted by the idiot myth promulgated by such detestable vermin as KFC, moral pariahs and murderers by proxy all, that support for criminals such as Sharon (indicted and convicted by his own people as being directly involved in the horrors of Sabra and Shatila) must be unthinking, devoid of any element of criticism, and absolutely unstinting - no matter what horrors are practiced by the State of Israel in the name of its 'security' - because to do so brings closer, by some infinitesimal margin, the hoped for apotheosis of Christian history, the Second Coming of Christ.

More simply put, 'christians' such as KFC support the subjugation of innocents because they believe they will profit from their misery, since it brings the return of Jesus that much closer. May the spirits of dead Palestinian children torment you in Hell, KFC. There is so little of Christ in you that you might just as well be Muslim.

I hope he does come back: and that when he does you learn (you, personally, KFC) the truth of that old Tshirt slogan - Jesus is coming and is he pissed. You are a poster-child for everything you profess to stand against.

And you, Rightwinger: do you support Islamist cells in their attacks on civilians? Did you rejoice when the Saudi Jihadis murdered 3000 in New York? No? Then why support those who deny judicial process through murder by Gunship? You lament and decry the inability of the UN to be effective: do you also decry the flagrant breach of every Security Council Resolution levied against it by Israel? No.

Instead you mouth nonsense such as this: "Isreal, at the behest of its Western Allies, such as they are, has spent decades in negotiation, talking and talking until it is blue in the face, to no avail."

Israel has talked for no other reason than to bamboozle the world with its stinking hypocrisy, and to secure for itself the unthinking support of American politicians and diplomats. In its refusal to implement the unending stream of Security Council Resolutions demanding that it cease from its barbarous and criminal acts it has marked itself, for all to see, as a criminal regime, an exponent and past master of State terrorism, and an exemplar of the most shameless racial hegemony, not seen since the destruction of the former apartheid State of South Africa (with whom it was the firmest of friends and allies).

But that, of course, is excusable since its Israel that does these things: may your God remember it against you also, and hold you to account. Where in the American Constitution does it say that those who murder children are to be praised and supported? Nowhere.

But it hardly matters that the most cherished values of American civilization are spat upon every day, does it? Not so long as these vile acts are carried on by Israel, that great friend to the American people, who until today was happily prepared to bombard the airport in which American citizens had taken shelter.

Does the word 'traitor' have any meaning for you? I doubt it."

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if you're truly of a certain age (like old enuff to be anyone's forefather), you of course know seruatan spelled backwards is natures.

no it isn't. it's nataures.

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To: Bakerstreet

I don't think you are an anti-Semite, firstly. You have the trappings of such, and people who don't read much of what you write might jump to that conclusion, but if they hang in there they'll see that you hate everyone equally. You don't want to lord over any particular race, you'd prefer to lord over them all. You don't blindly offer discrimination to the minority in the favor of the majority, you'd discriminate against everyone.(and I mean that in the nicest possible way...)

Congrats on creating the first really insightful comment (other than those of my wife, who knows me inside out and back to front) on my blog. You are quite right. Ideally, I'd be able to kill you all. Of course, that's exceedingly unlikely to happen (that I should suddenly be endowed with the ability to eradicate 99.99 recurring per cent of the human race) - but I keep hoping. There are some sections of the human race that I dislike more than others. And there are some sections of the human race that I can tolerate more easily than others. But generally speaking I'd happily kill you all.

You aren't fit to draw breath.

I grant you that this, generally, is not considered to be a healthy attitude - which is why I've spent most of my adult life avoiding the clutches of the psychotherapeutic community. But it is at least honest, and egalitarian.

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To: forefather1

Dear me. The epitome of the unthinking, self-aggrandizing, self-obsessed and self congratulatory Religious Political Wing. Yes, I'm aware that Isreal is in a state of existential conflict with its God. Does that mean I ought to smile happily every time I pay 3 dollars per gallon of gas?

I really don't give a fuck what the Jews believe - or you, for that matter. Had I my way you, and every other pro-Israeli, anti-American traitorous piece of shit would be laboring in the salt mines in order to keep the roads clear at Christmas.

Take your self-satisfaction and shove it up your ass. I grow ever more nauseated by those who profess to have some peculiar insight into the ineffable and the incommunicable.

While you may think you know your god, I doubt very much if God is acquainted with you (though, of course, I may be wrong).

Enjoy your certainty while it lasts.

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To: Bakerstreet

Isn't this the dog-eat-dog world you love?

Actually, no. In the world I would prefer the overt prejudice and self-congratulatory bigotry of the likes of KFC would result in an obvious and immediate punitive conflagration that would incontinently consume her and all those who deal with similarly simplistic shibboleths. Alas, God has too much of a sense of humor to fall in with such innocent hopes and aspirations.

The likes of the vile worm, the reeking idolater and hypocrite KFC (dear me, how deeply I despise her and her ilk, these traitors to all they profess to espouse) remind me too completely of my own history as a zealot and a bigot. In the world I would prefer, the mere profession of such disgusting views would instantaneously result in a holy conflagration that would consume her and all her tribe. Alas, it's not to be.

And since I can't count on such a holy conflagration, nor upon the good will of humanity generally (which is as common as blood extracted from stones) I'm forced to rely upon that most unreliable of all human faculties - political comprehension. Upon that most delicate and fragile of all political constructs - the civil. Considering myself to be a member of a civil society I wish to be left alone. Humanity revolts me and I wish to have as little to do with it as possible.

I'm charitable enough to suppose that others feel about me as I do about them. Therefore I'm willing to engage in an act of toleration so long as others are willing to tolerate me. If they are not, and if they are stupid enough to impinge upon my self-imposed isolation, I'll happily blow their brains out. I don't like people. I want nothing to do with them. I wish to avoid them, and I wish that they will avoid me.

That's the function of the civil sphere: a place where citizens may interact without interfering with the lives they live as private individuals. America has lost all sense of the public, being concerned with nothing but publicity. Since Natural Justice (the nature of which is blindingly apparent to all, and which is in its essence the Defender of the individual against the majority) is not an ethos which makes an appeal to the American majority then I would prefer a world in which Artificial Authority is recognised by all. And America is the home of such Artificial Authority: nowhere, in the history of the world, has Hobbes's compact with Sovereign Authority been more explicitly made.

I make myself laugh: there is no possibility by which the American Majority can be brought to recognise both their Obligation and their Rights: that being so I'm forced to hope for a world in which civility, rather than the War of All against All (which is the dog eat dog scenario you propose), predominates.

I hope for such a situation not because I am a humanitarian but because I'm lazy; such a situation is less demanding, less taxing, than the intervenionist, holier-than-thou, paradigm of politics with which we are presently confronted. Such a vision of civility gives room for the fact that I don't like you, and I have no desire to make any effort on your behalf.

Alas for me, the ruling political paradigm demands an interventionism I have no interest in. My only choice is to resist (which requires a effort I'm not willing to make) or to acquiesce in the idiot activism of others.

So I acquiesce. Interventionism is not in my nature: I'd rather watch you all die of natural causes. Since that's not likely to happen I have to hope for my second choice; the appearance of some world wide Revolution that would embody both the freedom of the individual and the selfless commitment to others which is the fundamental contravention of all that America currently values.

Fat chance, right? But that's what hope is: the imagination of what is not. And I engage in it not because I think it's something valuable in its own rigt, but because it's an antagonism to which I think I ought to be attached. As I've said elsewhere, I used to be a christian, and I still live in the dusk of my own idols. Ah well. C'est la vie - c'est la guerre. At least I'm now aware of my own stupidity, even if I can't do anything about it.

I don't want to eat you. I want to cut your throat and watch you bleed to death. You deserve nothing less. And nor do I.

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Don't you see KFC's ethos as being an extension of that natural justice, though? How exactly does your admittedly arrogant self-promotion and condemnation of anything less than you differ from the KFC's? Sure, she's got her intellectualized concepts that aren't based on the 'real world', but who doesn't?

I just think that when you express your loathing for KFC's ilk, you aren't really differing with their picking and choosing between Israel and Arabs, or this or that vice. You're upset because they make excuses that make them feel justified to do something wrong when you are happy just being wrong. Right?

Do you think, though, that your artificial authority would last long if everyone, as I asked before, walked around telling their kids they are wrong? Don't you think that dishonesty and cultural delusion is just as wonderfully self-serving and part of the natural order you like?

I mean, who wins? The nation that is constantly harrowed by self-loathing and guilt because they are always wrong, or the nation that deludes themselves into believing that everything they need to do to win is right? I understand you'd prefer them to admit they are wrong and do it anyway, but don't you think self-delusion is the only way to avoid the human tendency for self-loathing?

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I understand you'd prefer them to admit they are wrong and do it anyway, but don't you think self-delusion is the only way to avoid the human tendency for self-loathing?

Fuck self-delusion. The only thing that differentiates us from the apes (at least, so far as I can see) is the capacity for truth.

Be damned to these foul self deceiving hypocrites (by the way, I grant you that you are the first, apart from my wife, to understand how I value truth). Their love affair with their own egos disgusts me.

Don't you think that dishonesty and cultural delusion is just as wonderfully self-serving and part of the natural order you like?

Yes it is. But that doesn't mean I have to approve or agree with it. I don't. There is nothing natural about a liar, and I am in agreement with those Ancients who saw in a lie a corruption of the proper order of the world - particularly a spiritual lie. Which is what, in our present order of things, both America and Israel is.

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kingbee

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The only thing that differentiates us from the apes (at least, so far as I can see) is the capacity for truth.

There is nothing natural about a liar

apes don't lie?

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"Fuck self-delusion. The only thing that differentiates us from the apes (at least, so far as I can see) is the capacity for truth."

Really? I see it the other way. I don't think animals have the ability for self-delusion, so they live mired in mundane reality and whatever misery they find themselves in. I think it is an evolutionary perk of this big brain that makes us able to fool ourselves.

Who is happier, the person shrieking as he burns or the one singing hymns with a big smile on his face? Show me an ape that can do that. There's only two kind of species that will fall on a grenade for the greater good, the least intelligent with no sense of self, or the smart ones that can make themselves believe that a horrible end can actually be a good thing.

"There is nothing natural about a liar, and I am in agreement with those Ancients who saw in a lie a corruption of the proper order of the world - particularly a spiritual lie. "

I dunno, nature seems to be all about the facade of big plumage and bright red asses and big eye-shaped spots on butterflies to keep them from getting eaten. This is a natural order that makes animals that look like sticks and leaves, and fish that dangle a weakly glowing light in front of a mouth full of teeth. It seems the perfect ground for lies to be cultivated in to me.

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why is it that the Jews have been despised, persecuted, and expelled from wherever they set foot, for thousands and thousands of years, if they are just 'nice, regular people?'

I'd love it if someone could explain this to me without quoting scripture which relieves them of culpability, ie: God is chastising them.

---LW

Maybe someone heres's already said it, I'm not sure, but.....

How about this:

The Jews as a people spent generations being conquered and coming back to their homeland, conquered and coming back to their homeland. If they got kicked out, it was because God intervened on their behalf, if you want to believe that, as I do.

In the last 2,000 years, they've been victims of the whole "Christ Killers" thing out of simple human pettiness. This of course misses the whole point of the Crucifixtion, but whatever.
Also, though I don't really want to stereotype here, they've made something of a name for themselves as good businesspeople and money lenders. In other words, exploiters and parasites. As such, they've made themselves into good scapegoats for anyone who wants to point to them as one of the primary evils of civilization.

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Please, someone, explain to me the basis of the American fascination with Israel.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend. It is that simple. People turn and twist, force their spin, create theories and ideas, then try to fit their square peg into the round hole, but in the end, Israel is the lesser of two evils.

Emp, your one hell of a jackass. One hell of an intelligent jackass. I would never want to meet you. I love reading you.

I'd respond more, but access is real bad here in Africa, and I don't have the ability to research what I desire at the moment. I won't waste your time with a half-assed response.

Have a good one, whatever that may be.

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To: Curious Gee

but in the end, Israel is the lesser of two evils.

Let me see you write that again, after they start dropping nukes on Iran - which they will, if no one brings these imbeciles to heel - which means us since no other nation has the capability. The sooner we pull our collective thumb out of our collective ass and slap them hard enough for them to remember who the client state in this situation is, the better.

Personally, as I've said before, I'd rather nuke them all, now, and be done with the entire filthy hive of them - their rabid gods and their politics of victims-with-guns. But that isn't going to happen, unfortunately..

Emp, your one hell of a jackass. One hell of an intelligent jackass. I would never want to meet you. I love reading you.

Thank you. And I understand your point: if I was someone else, I wouldn't want to meet me either.

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To: Rightwinger

The Jews as a people spent generations being conquered and coming back to their homeland, conquered and coming back to their homeland. If they got kicked out, it was because God intervened on their behalf, if you want to believe that, as I do.

Yet another apologetic for the Jews as helpless victims. In case you haven't noticed, it's been awhile since your pets simply sat around waiting for others to save them from extermination. They have gunships now. And nukes.

And it's sweetly childlike of you to believe that the two-headed monster of impratical deities, El and Yahweh, went out of his way to preserve these perpetual whiners-in-the-desert but you miss the point: if there is any divine interventionism going on it's in the form of a joke - an infinite and perpetual practical joke at the expense of a nation of intransigent idiots, all of them incapable of learning how to live with others without pissing them off to the point where extermination is less annoying than putting up with their abominably apparent self-satisfaction and moral superiority.

Have you heard the latest news from Lebanon? Apparently the Israelis have taken to killing UN observers now, and deliberately shelling the UN workers sent to rescue any that might have been left alive after the attack. They're ruthless enough to do such a thing - but haven't the balls to admith that that is what they've done. But perhaps there's some bizarre aspect of the Jewish mentality that makes such acts and denials seem in some way appropriate.

They're your pets. You tell me.

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To: little-whip

And aside from numerous Biblical assertions (and lets not forget it was a collection of Jews that wrote the thing) that they are God's "chosen people," what convinces you that they aren't?

A good scourge is a useful thing (as we both know) - a pity though that it's currently being flailed around with such idiot lack of discrimination.

V^^^^^^^V bites

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To: Curious Gee

but in the end, Israel is the lesser of two evils.

Let me see you write that again, after they start dropping nukes on Iran - which they will, if no one brings these imbeciles to heel - which means us since no other nation has the capability. The sooner we pull our collective thumb out of our collective ass and slap them hard enough for them to remember who the client state in this situation is, the better.

Sorry, but I think they "should" turn them into a "glass parking lot".

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To: drmiler

Sorry, but I think they "should" turn them into a "glass parking lot".

I agree, so long as 'them' includes all of them - including our pets in Israel.

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I agree, so long as 'them' includes all of them - including our pets in Israel.

Since Israel has never done anything to us, why?

I say, without equivocation, that it is to America's perpetual shame that it provides such support to Israel in its repugnant, criminal acts, when the USA could and ought to compel the murdering dogs of Israel to take part in honest and just negotiations for a lasting settlement in that region. Israel is America's beggar. Without the continuing support of the USA Israel could not have acheived, nor could it maintain, its position of intransigent barbarity and criminality with respect to the other nations of the region. Israel could not be what it presently is without the continuing support of the govenment of the United States of America - which makes of every American citizen a willing accomplice in the murder of every Palestinian child killed by the State of Israel.

Try again Simon. Israel has tried the negotiation BS before and it didn't work then. What makes you think it'll work now? Or have you forgotten Israel's offer of withdrawal from the Gaza strip which was turned down flat? Or their withdrawal from "Lebanon" in 2000???

Link

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To: drmiler

"Or their withdrawal from "Lebanon" in 2000???" That wasn't a withdrawal it was a retreat, after twenty years of failure.

And with whom has Israel been in negotiation - since it repeatedly claims to have no 'partner' to talk with? Itself? And as is patently apparent, the 'withdrawal' from Gaza has been accompanied by a continuing economic and political stranglehold on the area that makes a mockery of any thought of independence. Gaza is no more free of Israel than were the Bantu 'homelands' and 'autonomous' regions of apartheid South Africa.

Perhaps you should start thinking of the interests of your own country and your own people in that region, rather than kowtowing to the rabid hostility and hysterical paranoia of zealots and religious lunatics.

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To: drmiler

"Israel has tried the negotiation BS before and it didn't work then. What makes you think it'll work now?"

I didn't say that they should be allowed to conduct 'negotiations' as they see fit. They should be compelled to negotiate for realistic goals which will serve American interests, not their own.

It's one of the advantages of being (presently) the world's only 'super-power'.

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And just maybe you should go read the link I posted. While you are very intelligent, do not believe for an instant that you have all the answers. If you had read the link, Israel offered to vacate the strip and their proposal was turned down flat by the Palestinians. When you go to the link I provided, try scrolling up.

I didn't say that they should be allowed to conduct 'negotiations' as they see fit. They should be compelled to negotiate for realistic goals which will serve American interests, not their own.

BTW.... if you force someone to do something that they feel is not in their best interest, they will rapidly go from an ally to an enemy. And whether or not you care to admit it....we don't need the "entire" region pissed at us. Just because you can do a thing, does "not" mean you should do it.

To: drmiler

"Or their withdrawal from "Lebanon" in 2000???" That wasn't a withdrawal it was a retreat, after twenty years of failure.

Try again. That maybe "your" opinion, but it seems that "very" few hold it.

Barak initiated a unilateral withdrawal from Lebanon in 2000. This process was intended to frustrate Hezbollah attacks on Israel by forcing them to cross Israel's border.

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To: drmiler

Try again. That maybe "your" opinion, but it seems that "very" few hold it.

I'm not known for a concern with how many share my opinions. The 'voluntary' withdrawal took place as a direct response to twenty years of non-productive involvement in Lebanon. Running from something usually is voluntary - whether you call it retreat or strategic withdrawal.

"This process was intended to frustrate Hezbollah attacks on Israel by forcing them to cross Israel's border."

It's evidently been an outstanding success , both as a voluntary withdrawal and a means to frustrate Hezbollah. Were they meant to laugh themselves sick and so be incapable of staging attacks?

Just one more glorious victory for the IDF...

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