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Newdow takes temporary loss on In God We Trust

June 16, 2006 1:02:08 AM from JoeUser ForumsJoeUser Forums
Darn, I had missed this up until this point, but apparently Reuters reported earlier this week that militant atheist Michael Newdow suffered at least a temporary loss on the "In God We Trust" issue (that of the words being on U.S. currency).

The report apparently indicates that he plans to appeal to his favored team, the loons at the San Francisco-based U.S. 9th Circuit Court of Appeals. That court had previously ruled in his favor in his "under God" lawsuit (about his daughter, whom he does not have custody of, being subjected to hearing "Under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance to the U.S. flag). That decision was later overruled on a technicality by the U.S. Supreme Court, but came back again later as Newdow found people that did have "standing" and would be able to sue on behalf of their own children.

Newdow remains a confirmed whack-job. His singular focus on eliminating any and all traces, no matter how historically grounded, of "God" from out lives is nothing short of amazing.

I'd like to think he'll lose at the next stop along the way and save everyone the time of even bothering to try to go the U.S. Supreme Court on this issue, but I doubt that will happen. Even if he does lose, I'd bet he appeals to the top.

It would be nice to think that at some point the Supremes would give him the ultimate smackdown. Perhaps he can do us all a favor and be called to meet his maker while in the middle of oral arguments in front of the Supremes. (Maybe he could suffer a massive coronary, start heading towards the light, meet the greeter and then be sent back to pass along the message that he was wrong, almost dead wrong... At that point he could become an evangelist and start telling the world how wrong he had been.)


Article snippet that provided the news reported here was found at this site: www.chs-law.com.
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Reply #1 June 16, 2006 1:07:11 AM
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BTW, if Newdow does eventually win this crazy suit, I hope they change the words to "On Michael Newdow we hate"
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Reply #2 June 16, 2006 1:14:22 AM
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Wait, since he does not have custody of the child, doesn't he have no right to sue on the behalf of the child? I mean, technically he is not the guardian. He has no say to what his daughter can say, or not say. Right? Could someone clarify this for me? I haven't a clue, and am completely dumb-founded with legal mumbo-jumbo.

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Reply #3 June 16, 2006 1:14:47 AM
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It's never going to happen; the second version of "Miracle on 34th St." hinged on In God We Trust to prove Santa's existence.
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Reply #4 June 16, 2006 1:28:07 AM
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everybody knows Newdow is a loon bag. But the people of the United States still sit back and let small minorities or individuals dictate policy! WAKE UP AMERICA!
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Reply #5 June 16, 2006 1:29:50 AM
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Wait, since he does not have custody of the child, doesn't he have no right to sue on the behalf of the child? I mean, technically he is not the guardian. He has no say to what his daughter can say, or not say. Right? Could someone clarify this for me? I haven't a clue, and am completely dumb-founded with legal mumbo-jumbo.


You understand the technicality of the older case correctly. That is why he saw that case bounced. (The Supreme Court ruled he didn't have standing to represent his daughter or speak on her behalf as he was not her guardian).

With that case bounced on a technicality, he found some fellow residents of the State of California, sued on their behalf, and apparently won the early rounds in that case.

Meanwhile, he continued his zealous pursuit of wiping out religious symbols by suing over the fact that he has to see "In God We Trust" on U.S. currency. I believe he (or some other atheist) claimed that they couldn't even raise money for their beliefs because the money would be tainted by the "In God We Trust" notations.

I wish the U.S. Supreme Court had shut him down completely on the original case, but instead they basically gave him a "do-over" and he took advantage of it to waste time in various courts again.
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Reply #6 June 16, 2006 1:38:05 AM
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You understand the technicality of the older case correctly. That is why he saw that case bounced. (The Supreme Court ruled he didn't have standing to represent his daughter or speak on her behalf as he was not her guardian).

With that case bounced on a technicality, he found some fellow residents of the State of California, sued on their behalf, and apparently won the early rounds in that case.

Meanwhile, he continued his zealous pursuit of wiping out religious symbols by suing over the fact that he has to see "In God We Trust" on U.S. currency. I believe he (or some other atheist) claimed that they couldn't even raise money for their beliefs because the money would be tainted by the "In God We Trust" notations.

I wish the U.S. Supreme Court had shut him down completely on the original case, but instead they basically gave him a "do-over" and he took advantage of it to waste time in various courts again.


Ah, oh boy. This case is going to be a long haul, I bet.

~L
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Reply #7 June 16, 2006 2:02:52 AM
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Should we get rid of the heretical pyramid, too?
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Reply #8 June 16, 2006 2:20:48 AM
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Should we get rid of the heretical pyramid, too?


Sure, lets replace it with a trapezoid.

*notices that his comment kind of drifts off into space*

~L
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Reply #9 June 16, 2006 3:01:54 AM
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They should put hats on all the Presidents too. - I'm bald and it upsets me to see Lincoln with hair! - Except in the design of Lincolns hair might be a clue as to where the REAL National Treasure is. - Hmmm. Let me get my magnifying glass...

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Reply #10 June 16, 2006 4:13:34 AM
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I wonder if the name "Satan" offends him as much as "God"...

What next, we'll have to change the name of every city named after a Saint?
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Reply #11 June 16, 2006 7:32:04 AM
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They should put hats on all the Presidents too. - I'm bald and it upsets me to see Lincoln with hair! - Except in the design of Lincolns hair might be a clue as to where the REAL National Treasure is. - Hmmm. Let me get my magnifying glass...

You make an amusing point Prying.

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Reply #12 June 16, 2006 2:37:40 PM
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The guy is a nut job. He isn't the first though. 1970 saw Aronow v. United States and 1978 brought Madalyn Murray-O'Hair v. W. Michael Blumenthal, Secretary of Treasury...

Even crazier are the people who decided it to make it a national law that "In God We Trust" must appear on all currency because the evil slimy communists would be afraid to touch it. Same thing goes with the Pledge of Allegiance and the phrase "under God". There is an active communist party (they appear on ballots at election time) so I am guessing that printing the word "GOD" on our money didn't make them all convulse and die.

No matter whose deity is or is not printed on the bill, I'm more worried about the value in (and what is backing that supposed value) of the bill.
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Reply #13 June 17, 2006 12:56:53 AM
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No matter whose deity is or is not printed on the bill, I'm more worried about the value in (and what is backing that supposed value) of the bill.

The good faith of the Chinese Government.
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Reply #14 June 17, 2006 7:44:44 AM
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What next, we'll have to change the name of every city named after a Saint?

That is every city in California. Maybe we'll have to undeclare all the missions and cathedrals as historical sites, since that's state sponsorship of religion, too.
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Reply #15 June 17, 2006 7:47:01 AM
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No matter whose deity is or is not printed on the bill, I'm more worried about the value in (and what is backing that supposed value) of the bill.

The good faith of the Chinese Government.


Those of us who follow economics and international politics know how true that is.
That is the quote of the day: got a smile and a frown simultaneously, Steven...
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Reply #16 June 17, 2006 10:48:48 AM
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It's not in China's interest for bad things to happen to our economy, so I wouldn't worry too much.
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Reply #17 June 17, 2006 11:00:21 AM
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No matter whose deity is or is not printed on the bill, I'm more worried about the value in (and what is backing that supposed value) of the bill.

The good faith of the Chinese Government.


Too much truth to that one! Have a cookie!

I do wonder though, if being off the gold standard is so bad, how come the only depressions the U.S. has suffered has been while the money was backed up by gold? Seems to me that our money is much more solvent when it is only backed up by our faith in the dollar. ;~D
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Reply #18 June 17, 2006 1:39:32 PM
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What next, we'll have to change the name of every city named after a Saint?


You mean, like "St. Petersburg" to "Leningrad"?

:::walks away, whistling:::
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Reply #19 June 17, 2006 8:45:58 PM
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You mean, like "St. Petersburg" to "Leningrad"?

:::walks away, whistling:::


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Reply #20 June 17, 2006 9:13:38 PM
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You mean, like "St. Petersburg" to "Leningrad"?

:::walks away, whistling:::


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