Er, yeah. I've noticed some ships require tech research even if they don't utilize that tech... (I've got a tiny chassis, devoid of all equipment, that needs Kanvium and Singularity Drivers II... *gulps*)

Not sure of a way to fix this other than research the prerequisites... by that time though, you'll probably have just made a new vessel...

Oh....That's not good. That's not good at all. Unless I'm missing something here, it appears your designs really are lost for good. Sorry.

Well, when I load an old saved game that had the ships, they're there. But I dont know why I can't use them in a new game.

It seems that the sandbox games and the campaign keeps two different sets of ship designs (one is .shipclass and the other is .shipcfg).

Some of the small and tiny hull designs don't show up until you get Advanced Hulls.

Might the empty prototype designs have been saved over with some added components?

There might be something in the game that remembers what tech level the prototypes were designed at and requires that level of tech for some reason.

After designing a few ships in the campaign, I noticed they weren't in the sandbox at all. So I recreated them in sandbox immediately upon starting the game. The ones I created on turn 1 show up every time. As I progress through the game, more show up, but I really don't note when this happens or what techs are required.

*ahem* From the changelog that's been posted: It's generally a good idea to read the changelogs for patches/updates. Peace & Luv, Liz

Excuse me, I don't mean to be bitter... but that seems a bit rude.

And if you'll READ my initial post, I said my game is patched to the latest version, and the game/ships were made only after the latest patch.

I read the patch notes, and I was fully aware of that issue. It is not relevant to my problem though.

Some of the small and tiny hull designs don't show up until you get Advanced Hulls. Might the empty prototype designs have been saved over with some added components? There might be something in the game that remembers what tech level the prototypes were designed at and requires that level of tech for some reason.

Never thought of that. I made sure the prototype designs had no special added components on them. However, they were designed later on than the start. Hmm... something to consider.

Also, ship designs only show up for the same race type. If you design a bunch of ships for the 'human' ship type, they aren't going to show up when you play as the torians.

Yeah, I was playing the exact same race. Nothing was changed. Exact same everything, just a new game.

When I said old game, I meant the latest game I made... which in fact was after this latest patch, since its the only time I actually really created a game.

And I have only done everything so far without metaverse, in sandbox games.

Just take a look in the GalCiv2/ships folder in your documents. If it's not there, it's gone.

Did you check here? If they are not there then sadly they are gone. I lost a bunch during the first patch.

To answer all the latest questions. Yes, they're still in the galciv2/ships folder in my doctuments... the ships are still there technically, since I load the saved game I used to create them(even though I lose shortly after loading that), and they're still there. That saved game was created only after the latest patch was installed.

And I did create at least 'one' of each design. In fact I created more than one of each design.